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Capturing the Friedmans

Chorlton

CEO of Stupid
Wow..... just seen that (its on film4 weekly this week)..... i really wasn't expecting that - i dunno what i was expecting... "a documentry about paedofilia" i spose - but that was very very thought provoking and very confusing.

I will try not to put spoilers.... well i don't think i can put in spoilers because its so amiguous but my question is not whether you think arnold or even more so jesse were guilty but do you think the makers were trying to push the audience to an opinion?

or anyone just have an opinion off it?
 
it felt uncomfortable because you never really know what happened. Sad.

I saw it just came out on dvd. Not sure why anyone would want it on dvd??
 
Nina said:
it felt uncomfortable because you never really know what happened. Sad.

I saw it just came out on dvd. Not sure why anyone would want it on dvd??

i dunno - its on again tomorrow night and i feel i could watch it again..... it just threw me in wondering who to believe with every scene then the scene outside the court of Jesse doing the monty python sketches shocked me as much as anything else in the film
 
i don't know why you'd want to own it, but i also saw it on filmfour weekly and it i couldn't take my eyes off the screen. what a fuck-up of a family. the film left no doubt that at least arnold was very, very disturbed.

what amazed me the most wasn't the scandal as such, but the fact that the family were totally oblivious to the intrusive eye of the camera documenting all their most intimate family moments, including their incredibly fighting. they didn't seem to mind at all having each other film the breakdown of their family life in minute detail. god. :eek:
 
The DVD contains much more material that wasn't included in the film -- more home movies, audio tape recordings, panels about the film... and the original documentary that the film-maker had started to make, about party-clowns in New York. It expands the scope of the documentary, asks more questions, throws some more light on certain things... and still ends up being ambiguous. No easy answers on this one. Well worth a rental if you've got an evening.

Brief aside: Seth Friedman, the one who didn't want to appear in the documentary, is apparently the same R Seth Friedman who took over editing the legendary magazine Factsheet Five (the erstwhile bible of the American small press) after Mike Gunderloy had given it to some other guy and that other guy had run it into the ground.
 
Very screwed up. Have just hired it on DVD (though I agree it's not exactly something I'd want to own). Can't decide whether the makers had an agenda either way - it was certainly ambiguous as to whether either of them were guilty, but I felt that on the whole they were pushing towards them not being guilty. If they weren't I'm surprised that something didn't happen, even if it wasn't as bad as the offences they were convicted of.
 
Saw this the other night, and I couldn't stop thinking about it for hours afterwards. I've never seen a film like it before, very thought provoking and disturbing, I really didn't know from one minute to the next whether I believed they were guilty or not. I don't think the makers tried to make you believe one way or the other, I think it was left up to the viewer to decide. The family were very, very strange, every one of them. Seemingly respectable, pillars of the community, with very dark goings on under the surface. I think the father, timid though he looked, had a very strong hold over all his family. Personally I think he probably abused all three of his sons, yet they were all unflinching in their loyalty to him. Even his wife, who didn't seem too concerned that her husband kept child pronography, according to the police there were piles of magazines all over the house! Yet he constantly denied everything, even in the face of overwhelming evidence (of pornography, if not the actual abuse). One thing that got me thinking was, if the whole case was some sort of witch hunt against them and they were entirely innocentwhy were both the father and the youngest son accused? If it was all made up (which I don't think it was), surely it would be more credible to accuse just one of them? Another thing was, how could they all be so cheerful on the home videos, laughing, dancing and singing while two members of the family were on trial for sexually abusing children? If it was one of my family, I would be absolutely devastated, as I'm sure most people would be, whether I thought they were guilty or not. The youngest son on the steps of the court house, has to be seen to be believed.
 
DO NOT READ****Might be a spoiler****DO NOT READ

Chorlton said:
do you think the makers were trying to push the audience to an opinion?

or anyone just have an opinion off it?
i think so tbh.. it was a while ago ( i saw it at the cinema) but the whole thing was portrayed in *such* a far-fetched way; my interpretation was that they were making it sound too unbelievable to be believable.

i mean you were left feeling sorry for them (esp. the father when he was in prison) and the descriptions of what happened in the classroom were utterly absurd - completely unbelievable. i got the feeling that is the impression they were trying to give, but that's not to say that i actually think any of it happened.

i would really like to see it again actually. damn multi-channel tv company!
 
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