Camberwell news and chitter-chatter

[mango5]

The 'Luffbru J is not Camberwell' tiff, set me to thinking about the borders, (not that anything within say, a half-hour radius is out of bounds of this thread). It's not about boroughs or post codes for me. I've worked out a rough boundary of streets but I'm not competent to show them on a map (hint hint). Here's my attempt. The mapmaking thingy autoplotted the roads but it's pretty close to what I think.

What do you think?

*goes off to research*

 

[Crispy]

You got a google account mango? if you go to maps.google.co.uk then you should see a My Maps link where you can create a personal map, share it public or private then draw all over it with lines and polygons

 

[Thimble Queen]

I am quite looking forward to having a beer in The Tiger on Thursday night.

Anyone else?

 

[mango5]

It's going to be rammed. It's North London drinks on Thursday I think and I'm working til 8 so might not get to that. Incidentally I realised that the same company are responsible for the Royal Albert in Deptford/New Cross which I like a lot, so I'm a bit more hopeful that I'll like the Tiger.

 

[se5]

The 'Luffbru J is not Camberwell' tiff, set me to thinking about the borders, (not that anything within a say, a half-hour radius is out of bounds of this thread). It's not about boroughs or post codes for me. I've worked out a rough boundary of streets but I'm not competent to show them on a map (hint hint). Here's my attempt. The mapmaking thingy autoplotted the roads but it's pretty close to what I think.

What do you think?

*goes off to research*

I would agree generally with the borders you have given - maybe extend it a bit: Westwards towards Kennington to include as far as John Ruskin Street and Eastwards to include the South London Gallery and Bushey Hill Road. Northwards I would include up to Albany Road.

In fact it may be better to say that Camberwell is the SE5 postcode area - this would include all of Camberwell New Road up to Kennington Park as well as all of Burgess Park up to Old Kent Road. I had a brief google for maps and the best I could come up with is the Museum of London http://www.museumoflondon.org.uk/postcodes/places/SE5.html, if you type SE5 into multimap etc it shows the postcode boundary in a red line.

 

[mango5]

Agree on the Southeastern, I meant to include SLG. But I think the North side of Burgess Park is Walworth (I'm thinking the old canal is the boundary), and the Eastern end of it by Old Kent Road is no-man's land.

 

[HateCamberwell]

Basically take your map, include more shit and take out the nicer bits. To the South and southeast, those people would either want to be Denmark Hill, East Dulwich or Herne Hill, so pull it back a bit. And you go too far down Coldharbour Lane, that's Loughbourough Junction and they've just told us where they stand. But push it a bit to the northwest - all those shit estates are Camberwell and not Kennington. The park is a big border, like going from civility to the third world. And Myatts Fields mates always say Oval or just Myatts Fields. They and the East Dulwich borders punters are the most vehement about not being part of Camberwell. And to end on a positive, you go a bit too far on the northeast into the North Peckham Estate (which borders Burgess too, a park not really in Camberwell, Walworth or Peckham, just bordering all three). The one thing Camberwell can say is thank god we are not Peckham.

 

[se5]

Basically take your map, include more shit and take out the nicer bits. To the South and southeast, those people would either want to be Denmark Hill, East Dulwich or Herne Hill, so pull it back a bit. And you go too far down Coldharbour Lane, that's Loughbourough Junction and they've just told us where they stand. But push it a bit to the northwest - all those shit estates are Camberwell and not Kennington. The park is a big border, like going from civility to the third world. And Myatts Fields mates always say Oval or just Myatts Fields. They and the East Dulwich borders punters are the most vehement about not being part of Camberwell. And to end on a positive, you go a bit too far on the northeast into the North Peckham Estate (which borders Burgess too, a park not really in Camberwell, Walworth or Peckham, just bordering all three). The one thing Camberwell can say is thank god we are not Peckham.

Thank you for your cheerfuil intervention, living near Myatts Fields Park myself and having lived near to Denmark Hill Station previously I have always made a point of calling it Camberwell rather than anything else - I take your point though that people do call it other things: I think its because most people relate to their nearest train/tube station as a point of reference

 

[mango5]

I'm hoping this will be as good as the thread arguing about London boundaries. "What people call it" is as good a boundary as any.

What's wrong with Peckham?

eta You're probably right about the North Peckham Estate, the boundary road is probably Wells Way/Southampton Way.

 

[HateCamberwell]

They call it that to avoid that stunned silence when you say Camberwell. Peckham is probably outpacing Camberwell to be fair. Both are 'vibrant'.

 

[mango5]

O K

 

[Crispy]

they call it that to avoid that stunned silence when you say camberwell. Peckham is probably outpacing camberwell to be fair. Both are 'vibrant'.

i love you ihatecamberwell, you're swell

 

[Ms T]

probably quicker to walk from camberwell to brixton...

I didn't really get this until last night, when me and Blind Lemon tried to go to Camberwell on the bus. We went to the bus stop on Gresham Road and waited for about 20 minutes or so before we noticed the small sign on the bus stop saying that services had been diverted. For some reason, there was no large yellow sticker saying the bus stop was out of service. So we ended up walking to Camberwell.

 

[Maggot]

I didn't really get this until last night, when me and Blind Lemon tried to go to Camberwell on the bus. We went to the bus stop on Gresham Road and waited for about 20 minutes or so before we noticed the small sign on the bus stop saying that services had been diverted. For some reason, there was no large yellow sticker saying the bus stop was out of service.

That's probably cos the P4 is still using that stop.

 

[hipipol]

The Camberwell of Old

Look at how fucking huge it was!!!!!

And it NOT head up the road toward Walworth!!!

 

[mango5]

Ah, yes, that was the parish of St Giles?

 

[se5]

It was the Metropolitan Borough of Camberwell - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_Borough_of_Camberwell. I cant help but think that Camberwell would be in a better state today if it was still a borough and was not transferred to Southwark

 

[hipipol]

Anywhere that had the motto of Alls Well gets my respect!!!

Plus the bits of old Southwark I have lived in have been shite, buts the bits of old Camberwell (well apart from Valmar Road - tho the cheap offy was OK) have been ace

 

[Maggot]

Look at how fucking huge it was!!!!!

And it NOT head up the road toward Walworth!!!

That's Massive! Imagine the uproar if we reverted to that and all the people in Dulwich became part of Camberwell overnight.


It took me a while, but I've just realised that All's Well is a pun (after seeing the wells on the badge).

 

[hipipol]

Ah, yes, that was the parish of St Giles?

I think so

Its worth noting that it was this Parish that secured Peckham Rye as open space by buying it to stop the encroachments. Equally it was the old Metropolitan Borugh of Camberwell , successor to the Parich authorities, which bought Homestall Farm turning most of it over to park - Peckham Rye Park - and also bought One Tree Hill to prevent it being built over in the 1890s.

Personally I should like to see its re-appearance as Southwark doesn't mean anything out here in the sticks!!!!!

 

[mango5]

The great folk at Lambeth Band of Solidarity are doing their Invisible Food Walks every 3rd Saturday of the month until Summer 2010

 

[fogbat]

The great folk at Lambeth Band of Solidarity are doing their Invisible Food Walks every 3rd Saturday of the month until Summer 2010

That looks interesting, but there's a lot of hippy wibble on the page

 

[Maggot]

The featured bus on the Robert Elms show today is the 171.

 

[Nanker Phelge]

The featured bus on the Robert Elms show today is the 171.

I use it between Holborn Tube and Elephant.....jolly efficient it is too.

Always nice to cross Waterloo Bridge - reminds that I live in a fantastic city every day.

 

[se5]

Talking of buses has anyone used the new 545 free bus yet?

Its running between Brixton and Camberwell whilst Coldharbour Lane is shut. Best fo all its free!

See http://www.valshawcross.com/index.p...ws]=504&tx_ttnews[backPid]=2&cHash=ba89671d58

 

[DeadManWalking]

Does anyone know why buses are diverted avoiding camberwell this evening? think something happened on Peckham road

 

[HateCamberwell]

"Buses avoiding Camberwell" - do I have to spell it out?

How did I miss the fight with the CamberwellBlogian Guardianistas? How predictable. The left and the hard left ripping each other apart over mass immigration, I mean over an African Church trying to take over their Bingo Hall. Corn is popping now, pull up a seat.

 

[Crispy]

god you're a miserable cunt

 

[Mrs Magpie]

I admire your restraint, Crispy.

My thoughts are far stronger.

 

[Crispy]

Controlling strong emotions is what makes us civilized, Mrs. M