Camberwell news and chitter-chatter

[BoxRoom]

Which place is that?

Did anybody have a look at the new/relaunched market on Sunday? Saw a few posters around for it but forgot to go and have a look.

Friendly people there but barely any stalls. I thought it was going to be a lot bigger. Not worth it

 

[drachir]

Friendly people there but barely any stalls. I thought it was going to be a lot bigger. Not worth it

Bit like the Saturday farmers' market then? There were only about 4 stalls when I went down to that!

May pop down Sunday regardless, I'm only 5 mins walk away.

 

[Get Involved]

I hear the Saturday farmers' market traders don't want stalls selling hot ready-to-eat food (?), so there are two separate markets, both of which are worse than if they just combined the two. Seems silly.

 

[mango5]

Different companies protecting their turf, neither really give a shit about what the locals get out of it.

 

[BoxRoom]

Stuff em. There's one up by Oval on Saturday that's miles better, and the Herne Hill one on Sundays is pretty good too.

 

[mango5]

Agree

 

[teuchter]

Market forces in action.

 

[editor]

The campaign to reopen the station seems to be picking up a head of steam...

Councillors back campaign to re-open Camberwell Railway Station

 

[mango5]

I'm pretty sure it's a bad idea. They're partly doing it because we didn't get the Bakerloo extension (thankfully - the Old Kent Road route needs it far more imo). What they won't acknowledge is that the trains are already overstretched and this will add to the stresses.

 

[teuchter]

It's true there's an overcrowding issue already that they are kind of ignoring. Also, as someone further down the line it's sort of not in my interest for it to be opened, really, because it'll add extra passengers and slow down the trip into town with an extra stop.

But at the same time I think in principle improvements to public transport connectivity should be supported, and while there's momentum in support of reopening a station we should take advantage of it. Most of these stations were originally closed because it was decided somewhat short-sightedly that the demand had gone (because of competition from electric tramways as I understand it). But once a station's closed it's hard to re-open it and then you potentially have lost a facility for good.

It might be that at this immediate point in time, opening it will worsen overcrowding. But in the longer picture, it's better to have the facility there than to lose an opportunity to regain it - overall it's likely to be of benefit, I think.

 

[mango5]

You might be right. It could take a couple of decades for all the planned road and other changes to settle down in central Camberwell. The Butterfly Walk rebuild with change footfall round there too.

 

[brixtonblade]

You might be right. It could take a couple of decades for all the planned road and other changes to settle down in central Camberwell. The Butterfly Walk rebuild with change footfall round there too.

What is the Butterfly Walk rebuild?

 

[mango5]

Don't know exactly when it would happen, but the New Southwark Plan Preferred Options Area Visions and Site Allocations [PDF] document says

NSP25: Butterfly Walk & Morrisons Car Park:
Redevelopment of the site must:
 Contribute towards the thriving small business, creative and cultural employment cluster in Camberwell and Peckham providing at least the amount of employment floorspace currently on the site;
 Retain the supermarket use;
 Provide new public open space;
 Provide new east-west green links;
 Provide active frontages facing Denmark Hill, including shops, restaurants,
bars and cultural uses;
 Provide new homes.
Redevelopment of the site may:
 Accommodate meanwhile uses on the car park;
 Provide retail car parking;
 New visitor accommodation.

 

[brixtonblade]

Don't know exactly when it would happen, but the New Southwark Plan Preferred Options Area Visions and Site Allocations [PDF] document says

Thanks, Thats interesting.

 

[teuchter]

You might be right. It could take a couple of decades for all the planned road and other changes to settle down in central Camberwell. The Butterfly Walk rebuild with change footfall round there too.

The other thing is that with more "local" stops in inner south London, in the longer term there might be more incentive/pressure to improve the service with greater frequency, later last trains, etc. which everyone could benefit from. Although there are capacity problems with the routes out beyond Herne Hill and Denmark Hill, the stretch of line between Blackfriars and Herne Hill is at least in theory under-utilised (or will be once London Bridge is completed). It's harder to argue for an intensification of service on this stretch when really the only stops that would benefit would be Loughborough Junction and Herne Hill. If Camberwell was open that argument might be a bit stronger. Who knows, maybe one day even Walworth Rd station could re-open (not sure what the feasibility of that is)... something that might be a knock-on effect of a successful re-opening of Camberwell.

 

[mango5]

I think a Walworth Road station would be brilliant... Closer to Kennington and relieve congestion in West Walworth. I suspect any further overground changes would have to wait until London Bridge is done, plus the Bakerloo and Northern Line extensions.

 

[not-bono-ever]

Ate at Zeret Kitchen last night. Absolutely stunning vegan stuff (although it's not all vegan). Companion ordered the veggie selection platter which she didn't realise was intended for 2 people. It was absolutely huge for £9, could probably feed 3. Somehow she managed to finish it.

The whole bill came to under £30 which was the sharing platter, my main, a side, a beer, and a glass of wine. They happily offered to put my leftovers in tupperware for takeaway (which was lovely as I really wanted to take it but I always feel too awkward to ask), and were just all round lovely people. Will definitely be back soon.
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I can trench for queen and country but could not finish the veg platter@ £12 IIRC. it didn't look that much. but it is

 

[friendofdorothy]

bad road works in camberwell - took my mate over an hour to get from camberwell to herne hill this morning.

 

[wtfftw]

Yeah. Total arse. I'm on my 4th pass through of the day. I'm allowing an extra half hour to get through - especially heading south.

The bus driver said it's gas works. Woman on a bus this morning said it was water.

 

[snowy_again]

Water leak I thought?

 

[drachir]

Gas works. Absolute nightmare for me as it's right outside my flat, and drivers are taking to the disruption by beeping their horns at it all night!

 

[tymonym]

Will be like that until Wednesday apparently

 

[hash tag]

in Burgess park the other day..View attachment 84826

After hearing someone on radio talking about Burgess park recently, I went and discovered it for myself today, nice little breath of fresh air. Felt rather under used though. There is still an under repair sign in there and skate park looked like it had been closed for a while.

 

[mango5]

That's a bit sad. I went up to Ruskin Park today for the first time in years. Smaller than Brockwell and more established, varied, prettier than Burgess. We should have some picnic action there this year.

 

[drachir]

The hash browns are good.

 

[mango5]

I note the post office of doom appears to still be functioning (according to signage) despite having been largely demolished.

 

[Maggot]

The hash browns are good.

 

[mango5]

The hash browns are good.

At £4.50 for some fried spuds they'd better be!

 

[drachir]

At £4.50 for some fried spuds they'd better be!

I hate myself for spending £4.50 on 3 hash browns, but they came with a blue sauce dip.

 

[drachir]

Whatever happened with Frank's buying Club Couture?