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mango5 said:
Gentrification spreads from Peckham
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That seems like quite a gratuitous amount of negative detail (random 4-year-old Yelp comments?!) from Peckham Peculiar on a nighttime venue that stood out as being one of a slim minority on that stretch to cater to a mostly black crowd.

What do we know about the Peckham Peculiar? It's a remarkably slick-looking operation for a hyperlocal paper, and seems to manage a neat combo of playing up its 'socially-engaged' ticket while avoiding any substantive critique of the challenges around gentrification.
 
ska invita said:
Tried to go to club couture but got turned away at the door :D
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I went in there once during the OxJam festival. I'm not trying to say anything about the place one way or another - I have minimal experience of it. Just seemed like quite a surprising level of attention from an announcement that was not really about what the place used to be.
 
George & Bill said:
I went in there once during the OxJam festival. I'm not trying to say anything about the place one way or another - I have minimal experience of it. Just seemed like quite a surprising level of attention from an announcement that was not really about what the place used to be.
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justifying its gentrification is what it sounds like
 
I grew up with Mauro V. I think we agreed that camberwell had been gentrified when the Phoenix opened in 1989. So much so he managed to persuade a terrible US rock band called Mindfunk (who were European support to Living Colour or primus) to come to camberwell for my 18th birthday there. I seem to remember asking the couture dj for an 18th birthday request. He asked when my birthday was. I said 'oh next Wednesday'. Promptly thrown out on to the street. Still have the scar on my head.
 
snowy_again said:
I grew up with Mauro V. I think we agreed that camberwell had been gentrified when the Phoenix opened in 1989. So much so he managed to persuade a terrible US rock band called Mindfunk (who were European support to Living Colour or primus) to come to camberwell for my 18th birthday there. I seem to remember asking the couture dj for an 18th birthday request. He asked when my birthday was. I said 'oh next Wednesday'. Promptly thrown out on to the street. Still have the scar on my head.
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What's a couture DJ?
 
drachir said:
I've just moved onto the Denmark Hill/Champion Hill estate... is that Camberwell? Seems to depend on who you ask.
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Its open to debate but yes I would say that is Camberwell - to my mind there is no such thing as Denmark Hill as an area- its the name of a road and railway station both of which are located in Camberwell. I guess people find it easier to refer to the nearest feature such as station when talking about where they live - like the people who say they live in Oval or Clapham South (but each to their own - it doesnt really matter what you refer to!)
 
se5 said:
Its open to debate but yes I would say that is Camberwell - to my mind there is no such thing as Denmark Hill as an area- its the name of a road and railway station both of which are located in Camberwell. I guess people find it easier to refer to the nearest feature such as station when talking about where they live - like the people who say they live in Oval or Clapham South (but each to their own - it doesnt really matter what you refer to!)
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This was my line of thinking ha - if Denmark Hill is an area, it's a shoddy one since there's fuck all but houses! :D
 
se5 said:
Its open to debate but yes I would say that is Camberwell - to my mind there is no such thing as Denmark Hill as an area- its the name of a road and railway station both of which are located in Camberwell. I guess people find it easier to refer to the nearest feature such as station when talking about where they live - like the people who say they live in Oval or Clapham South (but each to their own - it doesnt really matter what you refer to!)
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Interesting. For future reference, could you tell me where the official register of real areas is kept?
 
drachir said:
I've just moved onto the Denmark Hill/Champion Hill estate... is that Camberwell? Seems to depend on who you ask.
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The older estate of council houses on the sunray/ casino/ red post hill has a lovely plaque on some of the flats saying they were built by camberwell council (1922?). I don't think that nearby Dulwich Village wanted them.
 
The Green has been spruced up.

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A look around the spruced up Camberwell Green, south London
 
mango5 said:
Not sure I was suggesting that. You can see it from the main road. Londonist thought the gates were new Camberwell Green Is Reopening
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I'm afraid I didn't see them and was only quickly dashing through the park. They weren't mentioned in the press release I was sent either which seems something of an omission, but if you'd like to grab a pic I'll add it to the article for completeness and would be much obliged.
 
ska invita said:
On a good map it does have areas denoted correctly. For example Brixton academy is officially in Stockwell. I guess this dates back to parish boundaries?
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And these are place-names which grew up as a matter of convention, and were later cartographically codified - not, of course, that all good maps necessarily agree with each other. One can certainly say that some 'areas' have a stronger or weaker claim to true existence as such - but there is no crisp border between those that do and those that don't exist, because historical and contemporary imperatives are always at odds.
 
George & Bill said:
And these are place-names which grew up as a matter of convention, and were later cartographically codified - not, of course, that all good maps necessarily agree with each other. One can certainly say that some 'areas' have a stronger or weaker claim to true existence as such - but there is no crisp border between those that do and those that don't exist, because historical and contemporary imperatives are always at odds.
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I know where you're coming from.
Crofton Park is another train station name that sometimes gets used so describe the area, but the address is definitely brockley. In fact I'm no sure there's even a park called crofton park...

There are areas you can define with borders...parishes, wards, boroughs, and I'm sure many others...what gets used colloquially of course continues on top of that, and may even over time change the map...
 
ska invita said:
I know where you're coming from.
Crofton Park is another train station name that sometimes gets used so describe the area, but the address is definitely brockley. In fact I'm no sure there's even a park called crofton park...

There are areas you can define with borders...parishes, wards, boroughs, and I'm sure many others...what gets used colloquially of course continues on top of that, and may even over time change the map...
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Bizarrely Crofton is closer to the old Brockley Hall which used to stand opposite the Brockley Jack, the centre of the old manor. Brockley station itself is closer to the site of the old Brockley Green.....
Brockley Central: A History of Brockley in 10 and half blog posts - Part One | The online home for all things Brockley, London SE4
 
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