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Grim prefabricated boxes at the end of my street :(

The flats must be a bit miserable inside - looks like the window sills are all too high to see over when you're sitting down.

The outside looks a bit like it's based on a primary school kid's drawing.
 
The flats must be a bit miserable inside - looks like the window sills are all too high to see over when you're sitting down.

The outside looks a bit like it's based on a primary school kid's drawing.

You can see the inside here. £246,250 for the two bed! My ex has just bought one, which means my eldest daughter will live in it every other week :(
 
There's loads going up round by the railway and sorting office too. 3,2,1 bedroom flats.
(I think this is the site that burned down a few years ago, while still half built)
 
There's loads going up round by the railway and sorting office too. 3,2,1 bedroom flats.
(I think this is the site that burned down a few years ago, while still half built)

Yup, hard to see what they'll look like still, that fire really slowed it all down. I thought more of the Bus garages were going too, rumour suggested the ubiquitous Sainsburys Local, same for the old boozer which got re-roofed down by Loughborough Junction.
 
The views are either Coldharbour Lane or the estate I live on to the north. Neither are going to win prizes for looks!
 
Can't a property have large, triple-glazed windows, and still be well-insulated?
Even triple glazed windows are nowhere near as insulating as a good wall. You can get down to around 0.6W/m² with the very best windows. A good insulating wall can be as low as 0.15W/m² or even lower if you go super thick. Any glazing hurts your average.
 
Even triple glazed windows are nowhere near as insulating as a good wall. You can get down to around 0.6W/m² with the very best windows. A good insulating wall can be as low as 0.15W/m² or even lower if you go super thick. Any glazing hurts your average.

Hmmm. Even vacuum-insulated windows?
 
Hmmm. Even vacuum-insulated windows?
In theory. But if you have a technology for maintaining a vacuum in sealed unit for the lifetime of a building, I'd love to know about it. The best ones you can buy right now are rated at 0.3W/m² which is a double-glazed unit where each pane is a ViG vaccum laminated unit. I have no idea how much it costs, but it can't be cheap.
 
In theory. But if you have a technology for maintaining a vacuum in sealed unit for the lifetime of a building, I'd love to know about it. The best ones you can buy right now are rated at 0.3W/m² which is a double-glazed unit where each pane is a ViG vaccum laminated unit. I have no idea how much it costs, but it can't be cheap.

Huh. I'm by no means an expert, but I'm pretty sure my uncle recently got himself some triple insulated ViG units when he refurbished. This was in Northern Norway, so I reckon he didn't skimp on anything insulation-related expenses. I don't expect they'll last much more than 20-30 years tho.
 
It's an energy efficient design (or so the site hoarding says), so small windows to keep the heat in.

Not sure I'd take whatever's written on the hoarding too seriously. I understand that obviously there is a pressure to keep amount of glazing down if you're trying to keep your overall u-value down, but this seems way excessive, especially when you look at the interiors which seem to have very deep rooms, and consider that it's a block of flats so for each apartment there's only going to be quite a small area of external wall.

If they claim that the small windows are driven by a desire for energy efficiency then I'd say they've lost the plot somewhat as it seems to me it's really compromised the quality of the space inside that people have to live in (and in any case use more energy than otherwise just to light it). I'd say the reality is that it's been driven by a desire to build cheaply.

Apart from anything else, just making the windows the same size but vertically oriented would be better. It's really grim when you have those high sills that must be over or near eye height when you're sitting down.
 
Also, if you're being serious about energy efficiency, you can exploit larger windows for some thermal gain from sunlight coming through them in the winter (and the ones on that block are facing roughly south are they not). Of course, you have to make some effort to get things right for this to work, which could mean more expense, say from creating summer shading, and I'd guess that's an expense they didn't want to think about here. So make a gesture at energy efficiency for your sales propaganda, at the expense of the quality of life of the people that are going to have to live in there. This stuff is quite damaging to the overall development of genuinely more energy-efficient building, because people say stuff like "oh yeah, so-and-so lives in an energy efficient flat but the windows are tiny and it's like a prison".

I should say that I don't know anything in detail about this particular development and most of the above is based on supposition. Happy to be corrected by anyone who knows more about it.
 
Can't really disagree with any of that tbh. I'll dig the planning application out later on today if I have time - should throw some light on things.
 
Im staying in Camberwell for a few weeks. I can see the Shard from my bedroom window! :D

I have a date Wednesday night. Any good pub recommendations?

Comedy night?
 
Well, Hermit's Cave for cider, the pub opposite for real ale (it's called snowbird or summat but doesn't have a sign). The Bear and the Tiger are reasonably good for beer and food. I reckon the Bear is better but it's a bit outside of central Camberwell. There's also the Fox on the Hill which is the local spoons and is absolutely massive. To be honest we have loads of pubs but I'm really not aware of much in the way of entertainment such as bands or comedy.
 
We were going to go in the Snowbird the other night after eating at the Crooked Well, but it was so brightly lit it looked like a student waiting room and we went to the Castle. That was pretty rubbish - DJ playing inna school disco style.
 
i went in stormbird (not snowbird!) last week. lots of undrinkable ales. two good ciders. shit acoustics.
 
Cheers for the advice! :)

The postal address here is Camberwell but im actually 5 min walk from Borough tube. Bermondsey? :facepalm:

I think i'll go on a recce of pubs between London Bridge and Borough tonight. She's coming up on the train so a local pub crawl is the plan, no wine bars or weatherspoons. :D
 
So they were undrinkable to you, because you don't like ales. But they would be fine for someone who liked ales?
 
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