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Call for £20 4x4 congestion charge

snadge said:
will you please stop lumping 4*4s in one category, the problem is with SUVs.

I have an Audi Quattro and it does not present any of the problems that SUVs present.

Sorry, I was going from the thread title which does mention 4x4s :confused:

Apologies
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editor said:
Why wouldn't parents want their kids walking to school, then?

Or is it because you think they'd be right to be worried about the increased chance of an accident caused by...err... 4x4/SUV drivers?

:)
Every time I've suggested to my friends that the children walking to school's a good idea, I've been told "oh no, it's not safe enough these days" not to do with cars though...
:)
 
pete_w_one said:
.... I asked why they had bought them.... Believe it or not, none of them said "it makes them feel safer" was a reason
I'd suggest that they're in a minority
 
pete_w_one said:
Sorry, I was going from the thread title which does mention 4x4s :confused:

Apologies
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ok no probs but it does muddy the water, especially when congestion charges of 20 quid are directed at all 4 wheel drive vehicles, there is a difference.
 
Ak!
Just looked at the time and I am heading to me bed... S'good to have a reasoned, sensible debate though & I'll have another look lata
TTFN & cheers folks
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snadge said:
ok no probs but it does muddy the water, especially when congestion charges of 20 quid are directed at all 4 wheel drive vehicles, there is a difference.

very true

Anyhow.. off to bed

Cheers all
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editor said:
So what is this sudden new danger then?

Welll...

I think the danger is that people might have to face up to the fact that their child is statistically in far more danger of sexual or other assualt inside the hermetically sealed home/SUV complex, than outside.

But... considering the far smaller risk...

...surely SUVs would be far more useful for abductions than saloon cars?

That's it. "Nonce tractors" is a great headline!
 
laptop said:
Welll...

I think the danger is that people might have to face up to the fact that their child is statistically in far more danger of sexual or other assualt inside the hermetically sealed home/SUV complex, than outside.

But... considering the far smaller risk...

...surely SUVs would be far more useful for abductions than saloon cars?

That's it. "Nonce tractors" is a great headline!

:D
 
pete_w_one said:
And I still think there are other more pressing or just as pressing issues to be dealt with and choosing the easy target of 4x4 owners is an easy option

Well, yes: you pick your battles. Ever heard that phrase before? What's wrong with the easy target if that 'easy target' reduces fatalities from vehicles whose owners do not actually need those vehicles?

I refer you, among many others, to the article linked in the initial post in this thread, which was about high-emission vehicles, not 4x4s. Did you read that article?

My friends, who, like me, have children of primary school age, do not want them to walk to school alone because of the traffic. There is no other comparable fear.
 
snadge said:
ok no probs but it does muddy the water, especially when congestion charges of 20 quid are directed at all 4 wheel drive vehicles, there is a difference.


They're not. They're directed at high-emission vehicles.
 
editor said:
Where have I said that about motorcycles, then?
Just following your arguement to its logical conclusion/reading between the lines. As soon as you find out that the average bike above 600cc struggles to manage 30mpg (mines 22mpg:eek: ) you will be attempting to charge/ban them out of existence.
So stop being so trendy and have the intellectual integrity to identify other vehicle types you wish to villify.
 
editor said:
A white van is large because it is built for transporting large amounts of goods. It has a large engine because it has to move heavy goods. It is built for the job.

A 4x4, on the other hand, is grossly over-sized and over-engineered to suit the ego/fashion desires/self-centred 'safety' needs of the owner.

Surely the level of congestion charge would be based on emmisions rather than car type so white van man is going to have to pay the higher rate as well which would really fuck him over if he's having to pay £100 a week just to drive in London ( compared with £40 he would now ) .
My dad owns a 4x4 which he uses to drive all his catering stuff round in and as his main car so he doesn't need a van and a car , so he hasd a 4x4 for a purpose so he can do his job as well but in your world everyone who owns a 4x4 is using it as a status symbol when it could be used for people doing a job just as easily !
 
yellowmonster said:
So stop being so trendy and have the intellectual integrity to identify other vehicle types you wish to villify.
How about you stop trying to put words in my mouth and keep your home-made 'logical conclusions' to yourself?

If you want a discussion on superbikes, start a new thread and I'll give you my opinion there.
 
editor said:
How about you stop trying to put words in my mouth and keep your home-made 'logical conclusions' to yourself?

If you want a discussion on superbikes, start a new thread and I'll give you my opinion there.
Thought we were talking about vehicles/emissions/congestion??
 
editor said:
How about you stop trying to put words in my mouth and keep your home-made 'logical conclusions' to yourself?

If you want a discussion on superbikes, start a new thread and I'll give you my opinion there.
Think you will find that a lot of 600cc + bikes arent actually "Superbikes" too.;)
 
yellowmonster said:
Dont expect you know the answer (I certainly dont). The difference is that Im not scared to discuss it.
That doesn't even make sense, but seeing as your arguments seem to run in a make-believe parallel universe where you're busily projecting your own agenda, opinions and emotions ("scared," my fucking arse) on to others, I'll leave you to it.
 
editor said:
That doesn't even make sense, but seeing as your arguments seem to run in a make-believe parallel universe where you're busily projecting your own agenda, opinions and emotions ("scared," my fucking arse) on to others, I'll leave you to it.
Been exposed as a bully and an intellectual lightweight, by quite a lot of people on here, so you resort to personalising this.
I never argue with an idiot they bring you down to their level, then beat you with their experience.
:D
 
yellowmonster said:
Been exposed as a bully and an intellectual lightweight, by quite a lot of people on here, so you resort to personalising this.
Now that's what I call a hypocrite! Or is it a wannabe trollster?

Not only are you clearly incapable of comprehending the title of this thread or reading my posts on the subject, but it seems you've already forgotten the content of your own posts!

Quite remarkable!
 
Savage Henry said:
My dad owns a 4x4 which he uses to drive all his catering stuff round in and as his main car so he doesn't need a van and a car , so he hasd a 4x4 for a purpose so he can do his job as well but in your world everyone who owns a 4x4 is using it as a status symbol when it could be used for people doing a job just as easily !

Isn't it strange how slimplistic stereotypes don't really work in the real world...! Oh, does your Dad realise that his 4x4 might be damaged by some of the anti-4x4 vigilantes...? 'Cos he should buy a white van like everyone else...
 
jæd said:
Isn't it strange how slimplistic stereotypes don't really work in the real world...! Oh, does your Dad realise that his 4x4 might be damaged by some of the anti-4x4 vigilantes...?
I'd suggest that there's a focus on 4x4s/SUVs because they're being aggressively and expensively marketed and have become one of the fastest growing types of vehicle.
 
editor said:
I'd suggest that there's a focus on 4x4s/SUVs because they're being aggressively and expensively marketed and have become one of the fastest growing types of vehicle.

So... Who is focussing on them...? The only people I see getting worried about them are those on U75...

If they are the fastest growing type of car, perhaps thats because people want them...? Or are people unable to think for themselves and dumbly accept what the "expensive marketing" tells them...? Though I wish I could lash out on an X5 because I'm brainwashed by TV ads...
 
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