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Brixton’s Bon Marche department store - history and chat

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Any one got any more info on this? Here's what I've posted up:

As far as we can see, the Southern Railway never created a locomotive called the Starlight Express, and the stage play of the same name didn’t launch until 1984, so we’re guessing that the loco was there as some sort of promotional device, perhaps for some model manufacturer.

The model planes near the camera would seem to back this up.

Now, we’re no experts on the Southern Railway (the fabulous Great Western are more our thing), but a brief bit of research seems to suggest that the locomotive is modelled on the Maunsell V “Schools” class 4-4-0. The smoke deflectors on the front would date the loco from 1931 onwards. [--]

More: http://www.brixtonbuzz.com/2014/07/...-inside-brixtons-bon-marche-department-store/
 
Looks vaguely like a Schools class "V" {Built to "Restiction O" for use on the Hastings line amongst others later home to Cl 33/2 slim jims} to me And an early 30's date would be in the right direction
 
from the star on the tender rather than full southern livery, i guess some promotion that the southern co-operated with, not just a sr publicity thing.

maybe the store's xmas thing one year?

the southern were (after the appointment of john elliott - possibly the first 'public relations' person in british business) quite forward thinking with publicity.

i have a feeling i have seen this picture before but can't place it.
 
from the star on the tender rather than full southern livery, i guess some promotion that the southern co-operated with, not just a sr publicity thing.

maybe the store's xmas thing one year?

the southern were (after the appointment of john elliott - possibly the first 'public relations' person in british business) quite forward thinking with publicity.

i have a feeling i have seen this picture before but can't place it.

It looks to close to a "Schools class " in looks and dimensions apart from the wrong profile to the cab and tender sides above the waist line which sloped in to deal with the restiction "O" loading gauge on the Hastings line and the early 1930's date suggests a mock up for the Schools class
 
It looks to close to a "Schools class " in looks and dimensions apart from the wrong profile to the cab and tender sides above the waist line which sloped in to deal with the restiction "O" loading gauge on the Hastings line and the early 1930's date suggests a mock up for the Schools class

I'd go with that. Almost all SR 4-4-0 locos other than the Schools Class had pistons inside the frame rather than outside as in the Bon Marche pic. There were some pre-WW 1 examples, but they look very different.

Possibly it was just easier to build with straight sides in timber.
 
Of course the rather fine Schools Class locomotives were built for the "gauge restricted" Eastern section - Charing Cross / Cannon Street via Sevenoaks etc -Hastings via Tunbridge - as opposed to the main Boat train routes from Victoria via Brixton ......however , a fine example of the last and probably finest development of a Victorian 4-4-0 basic design. It grieves me to say better than the GWR recycling of Dukedogs (much associated with the Cambrian of course) ....:)
 
This has become something of a surprise hit, with the article registering way over 2k page views this week.

Still no answer, mind.
 
This has become something of a surprise hit, with the article registering way over 2k page views this week.

:)

Still no answer, mind.

:(

I have a copy of John Elliott (Southern Railway's PR man)'s book, but think it's at mum-tat's. I don't recall any mention of this though.

This suggests that Bon Marche was part of Selfridges at the time, and that it was later taken over by John Lewis Partnership. I would expect that both organisations will have an archive - which may or may not have been handed over to a museum / public archive somewhere (I'm aware for example that Sainsburys' archive is now with the Museum of London.) Although commercial organisations vary in their attitudes towards archive material, and a lot of stuff will have been slung out. Or damaged in the blitz / minor disasters.

May be worth digging if you feel like more research on the whole store.
 
Great pictures. The other weekend I went looking for a temperance billiard hall and an old cinema in Streatham's shops but alas, suspended ceilings and fake walls remove any sign of the original use of the buildings. You can see an original Victorian chemist sign in one of the shops though.
 
Great pictures. The other weekend I went looking for a temperance billiard hall and an old cinema in Streatham's shops but alas, suspended ceilings and fake walls remove any sign of the original use of the buildings. You can see an original Victorian chemist sign in one of the shops though.
Thanks. Once again I got lost in this and spent hours trying to find out more info.

The Morley's Arcade looked amazing! Anyone got any more info?

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http://www.ideal-homes.org.uk/lambeth/lambeth-assets/galleries/brixton/morleys
 
editor - you know John Lewis has an archives - you might be able to find out more about the history of Bon Marche there.

Always worth asking Morleys if they have any archive material.
 
I'm not sure of the exact set up but there are still a couple of John Lewis sitting tenants dotted about in Brixton. My old neighbour had a tenancy for life (her husband worked for JL but died 20 yrs ago). I don't think JL owns the properties any more.
 
I'm not sure of the exact set up but there are still a couple of John Lewis sitting tenants dotted about in Brixton. My old neighbour had a tenancy for life (her husband worked for JL but died 20 yrs ago). I don't think JL owns the properties any more.

Interesting. I wouldn't think they own properties any more - they would have cashed them in to open more branches! They do own four holiday sites - one is on Brownsea island.

My favourite John Lewis story is that the companies founder spent some time in Brixton prison.:D
 
Any one got any more info on this?

Still no.

Although this surfaced on Tweeter today

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from 'TurnipRail' on twitter

The 'Silver Jubilee' was a named train (not to be confused with a named locomotive) run by the London & N Eastern between London and Newcastle introduced in jubilee year 1935

suggests that railway companies and department stores (and the like) getting together for publicity wasn't unheard of.

i'll see if he knows anything about the Bon Marche 'loco'
 
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