Brixton chitter chatter and news and updates (Feb-Aug 2011)
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Ms T
Honey-coloured ramparts
Apart from they're not expensive at all but very good value.
Ms T
Honey-coloured ramparts
I understand, Greebo. I have no sensible mind map of the various bits of Brixton market at all. What doesn't help is that Atlantic Road and Coldharbour Lane are parallel to each other yet somehow manage to cross each other.
They cross each other because they're not parallel at all.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
What do suggest is the way to change this, Mr "I'm not interested in politics"? By constantly whining about stuff till it goes away?
Jesus
He never forgets you
ajdown
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It all starts with discipline at home and school - and for any under 18's convicted of any crime, their parents should also do the community service or whatever else they are sentenced to when convicted.
Also, we could use some 'role models' for young people to teach them that it takes much more courage to walk away from conflict than simply lash out with a knife or gun or other weapon of choice and ruin not only someone else's life but their own when convicted.
I agree with the various other threads of teaching young people something rather than just running sports and arts courses, to help them do something useful with their lives rather than just dropping out of school and becoming a government statistic.
I'm not interested in politics. Politics is not the solution to the mess this country is in. What is the solution is re-educating not only the young people but their families and peers that there are other methods of getting by in life than resorting to violence - and that's something that crosses all divides that sociologists like to pigeon-hole us in to. It needs to start within our own communities by addressing our own problems with our own people and community leaders, rather than some government initiative.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
These are as weasely as weasel words get. You very specifically chose to associate the conflict of interests in the market with racial differences, rather than economic ones. You are accusing them of racism and no doubt about it. Personally I think that's pretty counterproductive.
quimcunx
imprimeo, lamino, distribuo
Yes, that's right, Ms T. Parallel roads, by definition, don't cross each other. I mention it to demonstrate me having
leanderman
Street Party: July 2
Perhaps they should 'zone' the market, with different areas for different businesses.
The only rule now seems to be that pizza outlets have to be next to fish stalls.
The only rule now seems to be that pizza outlets have to be next to fish stalls.
ajdown
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A map by each entrance of what's where would be very handy, as would a list of what each shop does.
twistedAM
Left Of The Dial
Who are these community leaders you speak of?
bluestreak
HomosexualityIsStalin’sAtomBombtoDestroyAmerica
editor. the bloke with the megaphone outside brixton station every morning. paddick. obv.
ericjarvis
give a feck for the feckless
Just remember. Jesus stalks us all.
ericjarvis
give a feck for the feckless
Yet many of the worst offenders come from homes where there has been strict discipline. Many go to, or went to, schools where there is strict discipline. Unfortunately one of the problems is that within the locals gangs there is also strict discipline. Teaching kids to do what they are told is no answer if they are going to end up hanging around with older kids who tell them to sell crack, mug passers by, steal from local shops, and violently attack anyone who doesn't stick to the discipline of the gang.
What is actually needed is the opposite. In my view it starts with self discipline and an unwillingness to unquestioningly accept all authority. Teaching these kids to think for themselves and to make sensible decisions without needing the approval of their elders or their peers. Of course that would go against the whole thrust of education policy since the eighties, and I fully understand that for large numbers of people it is inconceivable that any behavioural problem can be caused by anything other than the sixties and seventies being too permissive, even when the behavioural problem is with a ten year old whose parents barely remember the seventies. However it becomes increasingly clear that endlessly bleating about lack of discipline for thirty years hasn't got us anywhere.
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The r word is even worse than the n word...
Given that many of the new tenants running restaurants and vintage clothes shops in the Granville happen to have darkish skin, whatever nick.h is referring to, it certainly isn't racism. He may have picked up on the divide-and-rule message that seems to come from LAP, but all the new tenants I speak to agree that the market needs the full variety of trades to keep its character. LAP seem to think that character is peeling paint and pigeon-shit instead.
And all of us, old and new tenants, have been going on at both LAP and Lambeth to do something about signage, from the tube and the station as well as internally. It is a maze. There are people who have lived in Brixton for 20 years and more and don't know about the Granville Arcade/Brixton Village - as far as they know, Brixton Market is the stall they pass at the high st end of Electric Ave. We provide maps on our cards and flyers and websites but still people get lost trying to find us.
comments to the various twists and turns on this thread...
The r word is even worse than the n word...
Given that many of the new tenants running restaurants and vintage clothes shops in the Granville happen to have darkish skin, whatever nick.h is referring to, it certainly isn't racism. He may have picked up on the divide-and-rule message that seems to come from LAP, but all the new tenants I speak to agree that the market needs the full variety of trades to keep its character. LAP seem to think that character is peeling paint and pigeon-shit instead.
And all of us, old and new tenants, have been going on at both LAP and Lambeth to do something about signage, from the tube and the station as well as internally. It is a maze. There are people who have lived in Brixton for 20 years and more and don't know about the Granville Arcade/Brixton Village - as far as they know, Brixton Market is the stall they pass at the high st end of Electric Ave. We provide maps on our cards and flyers and websites but still people get lost trying to find us.
miss minnie
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A hand-drawn map would be nice 
Its a wonder that none of the dozens of visiting artists over the past year have thought of it.
Its a wonder that none of the dozens of visiting artists over the past year have thought of it.
TruXta
tired
A hand-drawn map would be nice
Its a wonder that none of the dozens of visiting artists over the past year have thought of it.
It would, but more as a curio rather than a functional map maybe? It looks nice and all but how usable is that kind of thing really?
miss minnie
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Depends how its done.
TruXta
tired
Of course, but I rarely see maps like those that are particularly useful for an area like the market where there is use for quite a lot of info on a not too big space. It would be nice, I totally agree, I'm just pessimistic when it comes to these things. Maps can be surprisingly hard to do well.
miss minnie
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Well whatever, it was only an idea.
In any case, any map of the market is going to require constant updating given how 'in motion' the place is these days. Out-of-date maps are useless no matter how well designed they are.
In any case, any map of the market is going to require constant updating given how 'in motion' the place is these days. Out-of-date maps are useless no matter how well designed they are.
Really, it's signage rather than maps that's needed. Lambeth have put up one or two signs to "brixton market" along with all the others to Mass, The Fridge etc. None to "Brixton Village". I'd like there to be a "market walking tour", a series of arrows, to draw people away from the High St into the maze and back to the tube. The quickest way is along Atlantic Rd, but the scenic route would be via Electric Ave and Market Row.
It will cost money, and it's LAP who should pay - the increased footfall will increase the value of their property and the rents they can charge. Rent rises always hurt, but if they're matched by increased footfall, they're much less of a problem. But LAP have indicated that if they did it, it would go on the service charge, and thus be borne only by the old tenants, while it would be the new ones at the far end of the Granville Arcade who would benefit most. Divide-and-rule again.
It will cost money, and it's LAP who should pay - the increased footfall will increase the value of their property and the rents they can charge. Rent rises always hurt, but if they're matched by increased footfall, they're much less of a problem. But LAP have indicated that if they did it, it would go on the service charge, and thus be borne only by the old tenants, while it would be the new ones at the far end of the Granville Arcade who would benefit most. Divide-and-rule again.
Brixton Hatter
Home is south London mate
Apparently a lot of people have been mugged on the path running through the middle of Kennington Park. I guess the council/police could have installed some better lighting or something, but instead this charming sign has appeared:
The Brixton Pound people have used some stick-on ones for special events.
Those new pavement lights outside the tube.....
LAP aren't averse to painting stuff on the floor - they have just repainted the yellow lines beyond which you mustn't put your merchandise, which everyone ignores, so they can start fining people.
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