British frigate trains its guns on Iranian boats to protect tanker.

[cupid_stunt]

This is getting a bit dangerous, following the seizure of an Iranian oil tanker off Gibraltar last week, it appears the Iranians decided they would have a go at seizing one of ours.

Guns on HMS Montrose, the British frigate escorting the tanker, were reportedly trained on the Iranian boats as they were ordered to back off. They heeded the warning and no shots were fired.

The BBC has been told British Heritage was near the island of Abu Musa when it was approached and harassed by the Iranian boats.

Although the island is in disputed territorial waters, HMS Montrose remained in international waters throughout.

Iranian boats 'tried to intercept British tanker'

 

[TopCat]

If they can't get the Iranian oil out then this gets worse.

 

[kebabking]

BZ Montrose...

 

[not-bono-ever]

The exact detail of what is considered international waters is going to be critical in how this plays out.

 

[Crispy]

The exact detail of what is considered international waters is going to be critical in how this plays out.

You have to be quite far out to sea to be in International Waters. All of the Persian Gulf, all of the Red Sea, and the whole Mediterranean are territorial water. This incident happened well inside the Gulf.

 

[TopCat]

May I suggest we merge this thread with the Iran one?

 

[Pickman's model]

You have to be quite far out to sea to be in International Waters. All of the Persian Gulf, all of the Red Sea, and the whole Mediterranean are territorial water. This incident happened well inside the Gulf.

er tosh (at least as regards the mediterranean)


p 35 of this https://www.unimc.it/maremap/it/tem...ionalWatersintheMediterraneanandBlackSeas.pdf

e2a: this article 'Iran's martime jurisdiction in the region is complex' (yes, i know it's auld) suggests the issue of maritime boundaries in the gulf is very complex

 

[kebabking]

Complex and controversial are the keywords for this one - countries, in what they perceive as their own interests, define territorial waters differently. Russia, for example, defines huge areas of the Barents Sea, White Sea and all the rest as being in Russian Territorial waters because they sit between Russian land territory, the UK and US - and particularly their submarines - define Russian Territorial waters on the much stricter 12 mile limit principle.

There's currently a bunfight between the Scottish government and the Irish government over the existence of a 12 mile limit around Rockwall - the Irish say it doesn't have one, so they can fish there, the SG says it does have one, so Irish boats can fuck off.

 

[Pickman's model]

Complex and controversial are the keywords for this one - countries, in what they perceive as their own interests, define territorial waters differently. Russia, for example, defines huge areas of the Barents Sea, White Sea and all the rest as being in Russian Territorial waters because they sit between Russian land territory, the UK and US - and particularly their submarines - define Russian Territorial waters on the much stricter 12 mile limit principle.

There's currently a bunfight between the Scottish government and the Irish government over the existence of a 12 mile limit around Rockwall - the Irish say it doesn't have one, so they can fish there, the SG says it does have one, so Irish boats can fuck off.

 

[likesfish]

Royal Navy manage to do it without shooting an airliner down and the IRG also manage to avoid getting into a gunfight

 

[Argonia]

It's been a bloody long time since there was a world war. I hope I don't live to see another one.

 

[Sprocket.]

It's been a bloody long time since there was a world war. I hope I don't live to see another one.

World war is no longer the term used.
Market realignment is the new description.

 

[Baronage-Phase]

There's currently a bunfight between the Scottish government and the Irish government over the existence of a 12 mile limit around Rockwall - the Irish say it doesn't have one, so they can fish there, the SG says it does have one, so Irish boats can fuck off.

Iceland is involved too.

 

[kebabking]

Iceland is involved too.

Is it?

I know there's a disagreement between Iceland, Ireland, Denmark (on behalf of the Faeroes) and the UK over the EEZ and mineral rights on the sea bed, but I think the current dispute over Rockall having territorial waters is just between Ireland and Scotland, with the UK government giving it a stiff ignoring...

 

[Baronage-Phase]

Ireland has had fishing rights around Rockall for years. The current issue is pre-empting Brexit. Irish rights may well change after Brexit but current arrangenents should have been honoured up to Brexit.
Iceland has claims to Rockall too.

Iceland reaffirms its claim to waters around Rockall

 

[kebabking]

And yet..

Rockall - Legal Experts Says Scotland Right & Ireland Wrong

It's more complicated than just brexit.

 

[NoXion]

World war is no longer the term used.
Market realignment is the new description.

Nope, late capitalism doesn't mean that history has ended. Much as neoliberals desperately pretend so.

 

[Sprocket.]

Nope, late capitalism doesn't mean that history has ended. Much as neoliberals desperately pretend so.

Did someone pay you to say that?

 

[NoXion]

Did someone pay you to say that?

Is that some poor attempt at a joke, or are you actually accusing me of being a shill?

 

[Sprocket.]

Is that some poor attempt at a joke, or are you actually accusing me of being a shill?

The former sorry if offended

 

[Tankus]

might be a free suit and a goodie bag with cds of the ayatollahs greatest hits in it ........maybe

 

[Artaxerxes]

We have a working frigate?

 

[Aladdin]

And yet..

Rockall - Legal Experts Says Scotland Right & Ireland Wrong

It's more complicated than just brexit.

And here we go.

Donegal vessel blocked from fishing around Rockall

amp.rte.ie

And yet...

"the ratification of the UN convention on the law of the seas in 1972 states that unless an island is habitable, a state cannot lay claim to the territorial waters around an island. " Explainer: Where is Rockall and why has it sparked tensions between the Irish and Scottish governments?

^^^^^ this still stands...unless the UK is about to leave the UN?

 

[Humberto]

Fucking planet Earth. Earthext. Great satire<

 

[Humberto]

In all honesty, the politicians in this country are scared, incompetent cowards. Take it from there.