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Breaking Bad (CONTAINS SPOILERS)

So it wasn't a terrible final ending. Pretty much everything wrapped up, no major plot threads hanging in the air, Walt reeks righteous revenge, people who deserve to live survive, people who deserve to die get killed.

But it wasn't the ending I wanted. I wanted something that would blow my mind, something that would both rap things up properly and make me reappraise everything that had happened up to that point. I wanted the best ending ever. And it was just alright. It was predictable. Everyone's been saying for the last week that the nazis had to die.

Oh well, that's what comes of overinflated expectations.
 
Also, why did Walt kill Lydia? I can't think of anything she did to him (that he knew about - obvi there was Todd and co threatening Skyler, but Walt found out about this after he'd done the deed...).
 
Jon-of-arc said:
So it wasn't a terrible final ending...
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aren't we putting spoilers on this stuff?

Given Lydia was so constantly kill happy about knocking off people who could identify her, she was a bit of a liability in general. Besides that, she was behind putting more blue meth out there
 
Lo Siento. said:
aren't we putting spoilers on this stuff?

Given Lydia was so constantly kill happy about knocking off people who could identify her, she was a bit of a liability in general. Besides that, she was behind putting more blue meth out there
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Nah, thread says spoilers in the title woonit.

Plus as previously discussed, anyone who doesn't want to see spoilers should have the good sense not to look at this thread until they've seen the latest episode
 
Jon-of-arc said:
Also, why did Walt kill Lydia? I can't think of anything she did to him (that he knew about - obvi there was Todd and co threatening Skyler, but Walt found out about this after he'd done the deed...).
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Thats not a bad point either really. I suppose she did sanction the murder of those other dealers, but Walt didn't know that. Maybe she was a tie to his meth-cooking ways that may have made things awkward for Skyler if the cops investigated it all.
 
Maybe they could have had Walt sitting there in his final moments, examining some blue meth, checking the colour and consistancy. Perhaps even locating the testing equipment and it coming up 99, and Walt smiling wryly to himself.
They say the mark of a good drama is when you wonder what the characters did after its finished. Wonder what Saul and Jesse will do.
 
I sighed when I clicked the download link for this last episode. What can I say? Brilliant, brilliant, brilliant. The whole thing from the first episode to the last. It ended how I wanted it to end. A few episodes before the end I read a quote from Vince Gilligan that said 'the end can be viewed as a kind of victory for Walt' I'd go along with that. Sad that it's all over, happy it's not going to drag on and tire itself out and very happy it ended the way it did. Brilliant :D

See ya Breaking Bad
 
D'wards said:
Thats not a bad point either really. I suppose she did sanction the murder of those other dealers, but Walt didn't know that. Maybe she was a tie to his meth-cooking ways that may have made things awkward for Skyler if the cops investigated it all.
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Just doesn't seem so neatly wrapped up as most other things.

As a character, she was certainly corrupted to the point where death was arguably deserved. But I just don't think Walt had sufficient motivation to do so. It also may have been more in keeping with her "do the dirt but somehow avoid getting your hands dirty" style to have escaped and carried on dealing/importing or whatever it is she did.

Tell you what that show needed; a wire style end of season montage. Saul settling into his new life, Marie at hanks funeral, Flynn getting his 18 birthday present, Gretchen and Elliot hiring body guards, Skylar cutting a deal with the DEA, Jesse.... I don't know - what would Jesse do next?
 
Jon-of-arc said:
As a character, she was certainly corrupted to the point where death was arguably deserved. But I just don't think Walt had sufficient motivation to do so. It also may have been more in keeping with her "do the dirt but somehow avoid getting your hands dirty" style to have escaped and carried on dealing/importing or whatever it is she did.
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Come on it's obvious why she had to get it. Apart from her deserving it he knew that the blue meth was still out there, he knew it was still reaching the czech republic and there's only one way it was able to do that, he also knew Jesse was cooking it because no one else can cook it anything close to the way Walt does. He also knew that Skyler had seen her at the carwash so it still could come back on her in some way, he wasn't to know Skyler had been visited by the nazis or that she wasn't going to say anything to the DEA until after he'd met Lydia and Todd. It's also more pressure on Skyler from the DEA overall 'we're still finding your husband's blue meth, where is he? Where is he cooking, tell me what you know' etc.

Let's not forget the arrogance of the man too, 'You're still cooking my meth? My formula? How fucking dare you' I wouldn't be surprised if that came into it too. That seems to me plenty of motive to wipe her from existence.

Edit: Ha I keep thinking of more motives. Walt would also have known what Lydia is like in covering her arse, paying people to kill the people who can implicate her. She did effectively pay Walt to kill Mike's guys in prison by offering him shipping to the czech republic. It stands to reason she'd pay others to bump off Skyler, in fact she did! and Walt, being as smart as he is, would've figured that out.
 
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Doctor Carrot said:
Edit: Ha I keep thinking of more motives. Walt would also have known what Lydia is like in covering her arse, paying people to kill the people who can implicate her. She did effectively pay Walt to kill Mike's guys in prison by offering him shipping to the czech republic. It stands to reason she'd pay others to bump off Skyler, in fact she did! and Walt, being as smart as he is, would've figured that out.
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And whatsmore she would want to start production again which means tracking down Jessie. Apart from Walter wanting to give Jesse a break it could see the possibilty of her leaning on Skyler to provide a lead (through threatening the family) as to Jessie's whereabouts.

Doctor Carrot said:
Let's not forget the arrogance of the man too, 'You're still cooking my meth? My formula? How fucking dare you' I wouldn't be surprised if that came into it too. That seems to me plenty of motive to wipe her from existence.
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Quite, its fitting to the drama and to Walt's psyche (both his ego and whats left of his clouded morality) that the Blue meth should die along with him.

Also Todd's gang were not much of an adversary compared to Gus Fring or Hank. Lydia is a much more slippery shadowy figure to take down.
 
Jon-of-arc said:
Tell you what that show needed; a wire style end of season montage. Saul settling into his new life, Marie at hanks funeral, Flynn getting his 18 birthday present, Gretchen and Elliot hiring body guards, Skylar cutting a deal with the DEA, Jesse.... I don't know - what would Jesse do next?
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When that song started playing right at the end I was thinking, 'please god don't do a montage' :eek:
 
poului said:
OK, two relatively minor details I did like...

Uncle Jack's cowardly attempt to bargain for life while still trying look like the man by smoking a cigarette. It couldn't have been any more sweeter seeing that fail so hard.

Despite having undoubtedly had 6 months of Marie's slanted feedback, Skyler still ultimately sides with Walt over her. It's clear from the phone call that she's absolutely sick to death of the one-upping twat. I don't want to get into the whole misogyny debate but Skyler's by far the most sympathetic character in the show and this last scene confirmed it.
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Skyler's last scene was excellent. In terms of emotional payoff, that was the bit that felt like an ending for me. Walt finally admitting to his true motives and not asking to be fogiven or telling skyler about the money he'd left for Flynn or explaining about the phone call from the previous episode. He does nothing to try to redeem himself because he knows he's beyond redemption.

The shootout at the end was just something that had to be done to tie up the plot. I did enjoy it though, but then you can't go wrong with a roomfull of nazis getting cut down by a machine gun.
 
Jon-of-arc said:
Tell you what that show needed; a wire style end of season montage. Saul settling into his new life, Marie at hanks funeral, Flynn getting his 18 birthday present, Gretchen and Elliot hiring body guards, Skylar cutting a deal with the DEA, Jesse.... I don't know - what would Jesse do next?
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That would have been satisfying. There is enough material for a one off feature length sequel based around the the missing money.
 
youngian said:
That would have been satisfying. There is enough material for a one off feature length sequel based around the the missing money.
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And Jesse - what will happen to Jesse? Will he do time? Will he go on the lam? Will he crack under the pressure of his guilt and trauma? What would happen if the cops got him? Would he get credit for helping Hank? Would they even be aware of the extent of his crimes (which include at least a couple of murders, accessory to loads more, drug manufacture...)? Could he end up being seen as a victim, or even a hero?

There's so much unanswered with Jesse. His character arc wasn't really resolved. Him refusing to shoot Walt, the "Do it yourself", that was a great line, but it wasn't enough for me!
 
Jon-of-arc said:
There's so much unanswered with Jesse. His character arc wasn't really resolved. Him refusing to shoot Walt, the "Do it yourself", that was a great line, but it wasn't enough for me!
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The last shot of him shows him similing, that was kinda enough for me. That and the fact he got to kill Todd. I wasn't expecting them to wrap up every character's arc tbh, it was always Walt's story and it ended with him.
 
SpookyFrank said:
The last shot of him shows him similing, that was kinda enough for me. That and the fact he got to kill Todd. I wasn't expecting them to wrap up every character's arc tbh, it was always Walt's story and it ended with him.
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Yeah, you're right. I just clearly wanted so much more from the final show than the writers felt they should give. If you see me blabbering nonsense about how mikes granddaughter needs her own spin off show, or maybe they could write an episode of Casualty where Badger shows up, just ignore me.
 
Jon-of-arc said:
Yeah, you're right. I just clearly wanted so much more from the final show than the writers felt they should give. If you see me blabbering nonsense about how mikes granddaughter needs her own spin off show, or maybe they could write an episode of Casualty where Badger shows up, just ignore me.
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I was worried they would rush it and try and cram in too much exposition/resolution but it was the same old BB of well-paced and carefully constructed scenes. It would have been easy to sacrifice the overall look and tone of the show by making the finale too action-packed, instead there was nothing that didn't need to be there. At the end it felt like both Walt and Vince Gilligan knew exactly what they were doing.
 
oooh, I like living dangerously, I'm here without yet seeing the last episode :p Just have to remember not to read anything. Can't wait for tonight!!!!
 
Doctor Carrot said:
The ending is amazing. They all get on a big boat, crash into an iceberg and then sink!
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Stop lying.

Last scene is Walt Jr limping along the pavement and his limp starts getting better until he's walking normally. Saul Goodman gives him a knowing nod as he holds open a car door for him. Walt Jr puts on Heisenberg hat and gets into the car, which Saul drives away.
 
keybored said:
Stop lying.

Last scene is Walt Jr limping along the pavement and his limp starts getting better until he's walking normally. Saul Goodman gives him a knowing nod as he holds open a car door for him. Walt Jr puts on Heisenberg hat and gets into the car, which Saul drives away.
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Not true. In the last scene Walt and Jesse are tied to a post together, whilst the nazis are opening the barrels of money they excavated. Walt urges Jesse to look away, and all strange ghosts fly out of the barrels and the nazis all start melting, in scenes largely too graphic for PG rating and they'd-never-get-away-with-it-these-days.
 
Jon-of-arc said:
There's so much unanswered with Jesse. His character arc wasn't really resolved. Him refusing to shoot Walt, the "Do it yourself", that was a great line, but it wasn't enough for me!
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One thought that just occurred, maybe the scene with Jesse making his box was a flashforward rather than a daydream. Either way, I like the ambiguity of it.
 
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