Breaking Bad (CONTAINS SPOILERS)

[Orang Utan]

Well it's true. They get hated more than the mass murdering males. Why?
Skylar is hated for being a bit of a nag (justifiably, considering what Walt has done). It's fucked up. But we've been through this enough already.

 

[frogwoman]

Well it's true. They get hated more than the mass murdering males. Why?
Skylar is hated for being a bit of a nag (justifiably, considering what Walt has done). It's fucked up. But we've been through this enough already.

but that's not a problem with the show, it's a problem with elements of the fanbase who post on message boards

 

[Orang Utan]

but that's not a problem with the show, it's a problem with elements of the fanbase who post on message boards

I didn't say it was the show's fault. I was referring to the public reaction to Skylar and Marie.

 

[frogwoman]

I didn't say it was the show's fault. I was referring to the public reaction to Skylar and Marie.

do all of the fans of the show (even the ones that dislike them) really hate them for those reasons tho? or is it just a vocal unpleasant minority?

 

[Doctor Carrot]

Well it's true. They get hated more than the mass murdering males. Why?
Skylar is hated for being a bit of a nag (justifiably, considering what Walt has done). It's fucked up. But we've been through this enough already.

I think you're reading into it too much. It's a TV show. Personally I found Jesse an irritating little shit throughout most of the program and was hoping Walt would bump him off any minute. However, I do think women have been portrayed as a bit weak and whiny on this show, I'll stand corrected on Marie, to some extent, but I still dislike her. Compare them to say, Carmella on The Sopranos and the women on that. I don't remember any of them being as infuriating as the women on BB. Of course in that show the women knew what they were getting involved in and they didn't on BB, but disliking their character is nothing to do with me being a misogynist, it's got everything to do with me not liking their character. Say if Walt was in a homosexual relationship would you be calling everyone a homophobe if they found that character unlikeable too?

 

[Orang Utan]

do all of the fans of the show (even the ones that dislike them) really hate them for those reasons tho? or is it just a vocal unpleasant minority?

I find the hate troubling and it seems quite prevalent amongst posters here as well as the rest of the internet. I think the women on the show are judged more harshly than the men and this speaks volumes.

 

[Orang Utan]

I think you're reading into it too much. It's a TV show. Personally I found Jesse an irritating little shit throughout most of the program and was hoping Walt would bump him off any minute. However, I do think women have been portrayed as a bit weak and whiny on this show, I'll stand corrected on Marie, to some extent, but I still dislike her. Compare them to say, Carmella on The Sopranos and the women on that. I don't remember any of them being as infuriating as the women on BB. Of course in that show the women knew what they were getting involved in and they didn't on BB, but disliking their character is nothing to do with me being a misogynist, it's got everything to do with me not liking their character. Say if Walt was in a homosexual relationship would you be calling everyone a homophobe if they found that character unlikeable too?

You say it's portrayal. I say it is perception.

 

[thriller]

You say it's portrayal. I say it is perception.

i say your a stupid brainless cunt.

 

[Orang Utan]

Oh the ironing

 

[Doctor Carrot]

You say it's portrayal. I say it is perception.

It's undoubtedly misogyny that drives some people's views of the female characters but I think that's a minority. I'll repeat this though, it's a FICTIONAL TV program and not real life. The writers and actors are baffled as to why people are still supporting Walt, the only reason they can think of is because it's a fictional program and therefore you have more liberty to support who you want and have some fun with it.

To attempt to make some sort of sociological point about patriarchy because some people support fictional murderers and think that the fictional women involved with said fictional murderers are worse, is over reaching IMO. If this were real life I would be more than a bit troubled by it.

 

[belboid]

a nice, slow boiling, episode. everything set up nicely. Hadn't counted on the return of Gretchen & Elliott, I hope the guns are for them. Blow those tossers away in a nice, simple, old-fashioned way. The nazi's deserve something more imaginative and nasty.

Great final scene for Saul, feared that he'd be sucked back in, but fortunately not. Hope he does well in Omaha.

 

[belboid]

The writers and actors are baffled as to why people are still supporting Walt

utter nonsense

 

[Doctor Carrot]

utter nonsense

I'm just repeating what they said pal.

 

[belboid]

I'm just repeating what they said pal.

even tho its obvious nonsense.

 

[Doctor Carrot]

even tho its obvious nonsense.

Yeah of course there's a sense of showmanship to it. You took my quote out of context though tbf, I was using that to illustrate the point that it's a fictional show and you can have fun with it.

 

[thriller]

I'm just repeating what they said pal.

where is your proof? give a link

 

[Doctor Carrot]

where is your proof? give a link

Err I'm not gonna dig through youtube just to appease you but have a look at some interviews with Vince Gil, Bryan Cranston and Dean Norris. Baffled is probably a strong word but they said they were surprised and gave the same reasons I mentioned, it's fiction.

 

[keybored]

There are a few of these doing the rounds.

 

[thriller]

There are a few of these doing the rounds.

not remotely funny. my lips did not even move towards any semblance of a smile

 

[belboid]

Yeah of course there's a sense of showmanship to it. You took my quote out of context though tbf, I was using that to illustrate the point that it's a fictional show and you can have fun with it.

It wasn't 'out of context' at all, they were simply taking nonsense, as me, you, they, and roughly 99.9999% of their audience watching knew. Of course its fiction, but that isn't an excuse for much of the vile misogynist responses that the women (and portrayal thereof) are on the end of. Not that I am talking about your specific comments there, or whether they are in any shape or form misogynistic, I cant be arsed to have this conversation yet again.

 

[Orang Utan]

Well, I'm still rooting for a happy ending

 

[Doctor Carrot]

It wasn't 'out of context' at all, they were simply taking nonsense, as me, you, they, and roughly 99.9999% of their audience watching knew. Of course its fiction, but that isn't an excuse for much of the vile misogynist responses that the women (and portrayal thereof) are on the end of. Not that I am talking about your specific comments there, or whether they are in any shape or form misogynistic, I cant be arsed to have this conversation yet again.

Fair enough. To be honest I haven't really read much of the comments on other message boards, facebook, youtube etc. I tend to avoid them these days and I'm a lot happier for it! I can imagine the sort of comments though.

 

[Doctor Carrot]

Well, I'm still rooting for a happy ending

Breaking Bed.... I'll get me coat.

 

[keybored]

not remotely funny. my lips did not even move towards any semblance of a smile

Ok.

 

[thriller]

garbage

 

[keybored]

garbage

Pls stahp, you're hurting my feelings

 

[Ted Striker]

Quick question...how will Walt (or anyone looking for them) find Jesse/The Nazi's?

Use Lydia?

 

[keybored]

Quick question...how will Walt (or anyone looking for them) find Jesse/The Nazi's?

Use Lydia?

Didn't Walt go to their complex back when he was recruiting them to off Mike's guys?

 

[Ted Striker]

Yep, you may be right

 

[xslavearcx]

what a fantastic episode, i've gone back to liking walt again now.

its all fucking team walt for me...

the way i see this is that Tuco - worthy adversary - cause he was fucking mental and would kick the shit out of you if he even thought u were looking at him the wrong way

gustavo - well executed planner fucker, lots of contacts political buisness, suave, well organised - worthy adversery...

these nazis - just a bunch of wanks who fell into the right place at the right time. remind me of the kinda arseholes who bullied me at school... i mean there power is that they are the shit in the JAIL so its not even like they are clever enough to do their organised crime thang in the outside world .... the gangs on sons of fucking anarchy would have them... so they are - not worthy adversaries..

but maybe this is what vince gillingham wants, to show us that we the viewer with our convulted views of whats right (see above) in the crime world just aint gonna happen .. so maybe the nazi fucks come on top and i personally will be raging...

watched this on a bottle of wine there, second last episode and all. am going to be seriously gutted when this is done... reckon they could have got another series out of this without compromising the quality