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Apple iPhone and related items (cont.)

it was a cheap iJibe at the apparently religious levels of love / hate for apple's shiny little battery eater - it obviously missed.
As you were :)



(PS I own an iphone and quite like it)
 
Sunray said:
All this talk of the G1.

I can say this about the iPhone. Its got many flaws that niggle but the experience is so far away from anything I've ever owned phone wise that what ever does take its crown is going to be an immensely impressive phone.
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That's it really, if you're happy with your iPhone then those who don't like it are basically banging their head against a brick wall.

The GD1 isn't an iPhone beater yet and won't be for some time (if ever) but it has made an already interesting smartphone market more vital just as Apple have.

Great times for the smartphone user!
 
Is an iPhone a smartphone?

Is an iPhone a smartphone? Wikipedia sez there is no agreed definition of smartphone, which explains why the Orange SPV that I've had for nearly 4 years has been called a smartphone, a windows phone, a PPC, a PDA, an XDA and I don't know what else.

When the iPhone was launched excited people would stop me in the street and ask whethet my SPV was an iPhone. When I explained that it runs Windows and Internet Explorer and Office and has wi-fi and bluetooth and a touch screen and handwriting recognition and an MP3 player and a video camera and was launched in 2004 they thought I was lying.

Sorry, I'm ranting again. Where was I...oh yes, is an iPhone a smartphone? Or is a smartphone a poor man's iPhone? Why don't we just call all of them "SUPERPHONES"?
 
Oh man let's not do this again! One definition is devices you can install third party applications on so yeah it's a smartphone...but then so was my Nokia N73 by that...
 
Even fanboys extraordinaire Engadget are raging against Apple's restrictive, walled garden practices for developers:

Save us from Apple's groundbreaking, developer-shackling App Store

So it seems to me, you have two possible courses of action to clean up this mess, Apple: one, the bare minimum of courtesy and respect for its developers, and the other, full-on-righteous. If absolutely nothing else, you need to post some very clear, very easily interpreted guidelines as to what will and will not fly in the App Store.

No more mystery, no more concern as to whether the investment associated with developing a program will be for naught if some faceless App Store approval technician semi-arbitrarily decides to hit reject. Just lay it out for all to bear and follow.

Sure, there will be a lot of hating going on when Apple says in explicit terms that Mozilla has zero hope of ever getting Firefox on the iPhone, but at least the crippling uncertainty is removed from the equation. You shouldn't have to be one of the hallowed few approved by the iFund to be certain before you start work on your app that it will be approved.

http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/25/engadget-cares-save-us-from-apples-groundbreaking-developer-s/
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Crispy said:
Damn right.
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Must be a right pain to spend ages writing an app for the iPhone and then not only have it rejected, but then be barred from openly discussing why it was banned.

A bit like writing a killa reply here only for your browser to crash when you hit send, if you will.

Edit: Actually, it would be more like posting up a fantastic reply only to have the mods remove it and ban you from publicly asking why it was deleted.
 
Android Welcomes App Store's Rejects With Arms Wide Open

Well if this continues they just might:

Disgusted with Apple's seemingly arbitrary and restrictive App Store policies, some developers have been thinking about dumping their iPhone projects in favor of Google's open mobile platform, Android.

After being rejected by Apple, coder Alex Sokirynsky said he'd be an Android convert. The wannabe iPhone developer recently gained widespread attention when Apple rejected his application Podcaster -- because it allegedly "duplicates" iTunes. Then, Sokirynsky tried to sell his application through other means, and Apple shut down his operation. As a result, Sokirnysky on Tuesday announced in a blog post (before removing it, presumably in light of Apple's new non-disclosure policy regarding rejections) that he would cease developing applications for Apple and code for Android instead.

"All I wanted was for someone from Apple to contact me and tell me how we can work it out so that I get into the app store," he wrote. "Instead, Apple took the cowards way out by simply disabling features in my developers portal. This seems like a childish move for a company that has been proving such high-quality service and products in the past.... I plan to make Podcaster for the Android operating system. At least there, I will be welcomed instead of being walked all over."
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It's a huge own goal in the end. Nobody will develop anything substantial for it because they have introduced an element of risk into the process. The store is full of irrelevant apps that nobody really wants, if they are committed to making a profit on that aspect of the phone then at the very least a clear statement of intent is required.

I get the real feeling that operators are wary on having phones with unlimited data that can do voip on their network. Totally bypasses their charging model.
 
I can se why they are wary, but its a bit of a pain in the arse. To run skype on my mobile I'd either have to pay skype to call another mobile, which works out more then my included mins cost me. If I want to do it skype to skype, we both need to leave skype running which eats phone battery.
 
viop isn't really skype. Thats just one version. VIOP is a standard way of doing voice over the internet. There are many providers with very very low charges. As you pay nothing to receive calls you don't need have a incoming number, when you make a call, fire up the app and away you go, cheaper than a land line.
 
If you were to have a proxy at home on you machine you could run it over a secure connection on port 80 (the address web servers use) which the operator couldn't detect or block.

You could probably do this with a WM6 phone already.
 
My E61 has settings to configure VOIP in its menus, although never tried, I assume that orange would block it though. I've got fring running on it, so might try and make a skpe call and see what happens.
 
I've been sending my complains,err enhancment requests to Apple on their feedback form. These are my requests so far.


  • Mark all as read on the email client.
  • Do not load images in HTML emails, it makes it a spammers heaven and therefore useless.
  • Forward SMS message
  • Edit any sms message
  • Send map directions as SMS message
  • Send group SMS message to each recipients conversation, get rid of grouped SMS messages.
  • Delete the SMS edit box in one go
  • Send and receive contacts via SMS.

What else irritates you about the iPhone?
 
No smileys in text messages. Someone sent me a nasty-sounding text which apparently was full of winking smilies, but I took it at face value and sent a scorcher back :D :oops:
 
I was in HMV yesterday and they had a display with loads of those iPod speaker stations all powered up.

None I tried worked with my phone even one that said it did, I think it must be talking about the 2g version.
 
Maworld are getting very concerned about Apple's control-freak policy on app development. It's an interesting article.
Don't Drive IPhone Developers Away, Apple

The first issue with Apple's filtering process is that it has frustrated developers by causing delays in getting apps up on the App Store. Developers can wait weeks after submitting a finished product or update before it's rolled out to customers.

The second, and much larger issue, has to do with Apple not being clear on its policies about accepting and rejecting applications. In fact, saying Apple's policies are unclear is quite an understatement. They've been confusing, arbitrary--and cloaked in mystery due to Apple's blanket iPhone non-disclosure agreement...

I'd like to believe that these things are happening because Apple's still trying to get its act together, and not because it's decided to exert Soviet-style control over the App Store, blocking out all potential competition. But here's the thing: Even if that's true, developers are getting fed up...

But that’s not all. Some of them will turn to more open platforms, such as Google’s Android, and start taking their good ideas there. Which could transform phones running Android into full-featured devices that simply do more cool stuff than the iPhone, no matter how hard Apple tries to write its own software to catch up. Which could, in time, lead to the iPhone becoming a marginalized and limited product, all of its potential exhausted by the idiocy of Apple’s tight-fisted control of the App Store.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/151496/dont_drive_iphone_developers_away_apple.html
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editor said:
Maworld are getting very concerned about Apple's control-freak policy on app development. It's an interesting article.
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Great thing about competition is that for a few hundred quid I can go either way.

They are scoring an own goal in the long run just at the time that the competition is hotting up. Only thing in their favour is that most if not all the iPhone developers are Mac developers (good reason for all the candy floss on the App store) as you need a recent Mac to run the iPhone SDK.

Mac supporters are a loyal bunch seemning happy to take any old shit. To them it'd be like switching support from Newcastle to Sunderland.
 
Sunray said:
What else irritates you about the iPhone?
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Something that really annoys me is the fact that the 3G version has GPS intergrated and NO FUCKING GPS Navigation software. Google maps IS NOT GPS Navigation software like tomtom.

I've been doing that on other smartphones for years now!

But my real gripe is the fact that the operating system so closed and about as proprietary as they come...............
 
WWWeed said:
Something that really annoys me is the fact that the 3G version has GPS intergrated and NO FUCKING GPS Navigation software. Google maps IS NOT GPS Navigation software like tomtom.

I've been doing that on other smartphones for years now!

But my real gripe is the fact that the operating system so closed and about as proprietary as they come...............
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Well, TomTom may well have a full version for the phone at some point.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean by closed?

Its a derivative of OSX for the Mac. SDK is available for free to download so anyone can develop for it. Unfortunately Apple might kill your app off, but thats restrictive practice rather than a closed sysem.

I was thinking that if Apple ban my application from the App Store, isn't that restraint of trade?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restraint_of_trade

Contractual obligations not to trade are illegal agreements on public policy grounds unless they are reasonable in the interests of both contracting parties and of the public at large.[1] Restraint of trade mainly affects post-termination restrictive covenants in employment contracts, and restrictions on competition in contracts for the sale of businesses.
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All the ones I've seen look pretty shit so far, but there's a couple on that site that look ok. I'm quite tempted by one of the sleeves...
 
Lazy Llama said:
I bought a Griffin Form Elan which is a hard shell with a leather covering. I couldn't get on with the screen protector but the case is very nice.
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I've got that one, too. It bounces when you drop the phone :D
I don't use the protector either, but I'm thinking of getting the Power Support crystal film cos it reduces pesky fingerprints, which drive me wild.
 
I use the crystal film and it stops the finger prints and protects the screen well. I don't care about the rest of the phone but the screen being scratched would annoy me. Cases would make it too bulky. The protector scratches more easily, its plastic, but they give you two and you cant see the scratches in use.
 
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