FridgeMagnet
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That Brooker article reminds me of things a certain poster who used to frequent these boards used to write. Again and again and again.
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stupid dogbot
Haughty and Superior
Is it similar to his last whingey one, that transpired to be that he's a cack-handed user?
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
Yeah, it's all "oh what does sync mean, nobody says sync" and some other pedestrian stuff you've heard before that I can't even be bothered commenting on. It's along the lines of his other recent work, tbh, in terms of being "will this do" semi-outrage on topics other people did years ago and also funnily.
stupid dogbot
Haughty and Superior
Thought so.
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Brooker's always been pretty much average imo so this shit is nothing new...
Sunray
Its sunny somewhere.
This is the sort of statement that means that its probably going to happen sooner rather than later. All the updates of recent times have been very little apart from that instantly forgettable social music thing.
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hiraethified
It was an entertaining Mac-related article that was linked to on a Mac-related thread here, so I'm sure how anyone has been 'tripped up.' Perhaps you might explain?
Oh, and you are aware that he uses a MacBook as well as an iPhone, yes? Mind you, he has a valid point about iTunes.
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
I opened iTunes tonight, dragged and dropped two albums in, synced my iPhone (which updated my podcasts and apps) with zero issue. *shrugs* iTunes isn't amazing but it's not as complicated as made out at times...
grit
an ugly force for good
This should be completely fucking obvious, and it is the reason I dont really participate in these threads any more.
stupid dogbot
Haughty and Superior
Perhaps he should go buy a PC and an THC (*cough*
), then.iTunes is difficult to use. If you're brain-damaged, perhaps... If you can't multi-select and drag n drop, computers probably aren't for you.
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hiraethified
Ah, so it can only be the user's fault, yes? I wish I'd had some of this infallible software because my iTunes fucked up as well.
stupid dogbot
Haughty and Superior
Whilst I'm just positive that you're simply far beyond making even the rarest of mistakes ( ), I'm actually talking about the sneery chap who wrote the article and has (as discussed on this very thread) previously demonstrated he's not the best at this...
), I'm actually talking about the sneery chap who wrote the article and has (as discussed on this very thread) previously demonstrated he's not the best at this...
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hiraethified
I can see where you're coming from now. You like to dismiss or make sneery comments about anyone posting up anything less than positive experiences, if anything goes wrong it must be their fault, or they can be waved away as haterz or liars, even when they've spent considerable amounts of money on their products.Whilst I'm just positive that you're simply far beyond making even the rarest of mistakes (
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
This thread has got a little OCD in terms of the iTunes discussion...can we perhaps move on? It's not like we don't know each others opinions inside out by now is it?
stupid dogbot
Haughty and Superior
I seriously doubt that.
You utter fucking hypocrite!!
Do you ever even read your posts?
Ignore what I've actually said ("I'm talking specifically about Booker") and plaster your conceited, condescending opinion all over it again, why don't you?
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
I rest my case.
elbows
Well-Known Member
I suppose you might find that hard if you were illiterate or had no hands.
People who are not extremely computer literate are often used to the concept of having devices appear as drives, and of dragging & dropping stuff from one drive to another. Anything different to that is going to confuse some of them.
stupid dogbot
Haughty and Superior
Perhaps they could try reading the instructions...
Nah, probably not.
Nah, probably not.
elbows
Well-Known Member
Part of being intuitive means using paradigms that are well established, that people are used to.
In any case itunes has a few too many different ways of setting up syncing of stuff, eg automatic, only stuff you tick, stuff you drag&drop, etc. Throw in the account issues that are there for reasons of anti-piracy and the picture starts to get a tad messy. Its not an insanely huge problem, but its a real thing and I wont dismiss it.
In any case itunes has a few too many different ways of setting up syncing of stuff, eg automatic, only stuff you tick, stuff you drag&drop, etc. Throw in the account issues that are there for reasons of anti-piracy and the picture starts to get a tad messy. Its not an insanely huge problem, but its a real thing and I wont dismiss it.
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hiraethified
edit: I can't be arsed with this liar.
Brooker's on the money there.. itunes is a heap of stinking shit.. i watched a friend of mine who's not particlarly tech literate try and use it and she almost shat herself thinking all her files were being wiped. for the rest of us geeks its not really an issue but intutitive design is sposed to be apple's USP.
my biggest beef with apple though (besides the weird pettiness about Flash) is finder..... why?? file management is the one thing windows wins hands down at. when are they gonna sort that one out?
my biggest beef with apple though (besides the weird pettiness about Flash) is finder..... why?? file management is the one thing windows wins hands down at. when are they gonna sort that one out?
Crispy
The following psytrance is baṉned: All
I can see where the itunes dseign philosophy comes from - don't worry about files and folders. It's just "your music, don't worry we'll take care of it" - unfortunately, this concept is in direct opposition to the mindset that most people have already built up about what a file is and where things 'live' on their computer.
It's taken to the extreme on the iDevices. There is no file explorer at all. There are apps and they have libraries - the data itself is completely abstracted. I think Apple would like for the data to be abstracted on the desktop too, but that's not how millions of people have learned how a desktop works.
The intrinsic dis/advantages of the two approaches is a separate argument, however.
It's taken to the extreme on the iDevices. There is no file explorer at all. There are apps and they have libraries - the data itself is completely abstracted. I think Apple would like for the data to be abstracted on the desktop too, but that's not how millions of people have learned how a desktop works.
The intrinsic dis/advantages of the two approaches is a separate argument, however.
Kid_Eternity
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Ideally it'd be a different thread two so it stops contaminating this one with tedious merry go round 'debate'...
I think I've worked out this Charlie Booker iTunes wanting to delete everything off his iPhone on a new PC thing happened. He probably didn't backup his iTunes folder on the old PC and transfer it onto the new one, telling iTunes where to find it. I've always done this when moving PCs and never had the problem he reported.
Kid_Eternity
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beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
The key issue of real world usage doesn't appear to be accounted for going by that article. Which is kinda the point, you can get all kinds of wacky results when you're studying something but how it works in the real world is another matter. More to the point, if this reception issue was a great as it's been covered how did the phone still sell millions and not have tons returned (and I'm talking 100000s not twenty)?
With the xbox 360 the failure rate in the real world was very real and the reputation for failure deserved, I still don't see that the reception is really that big a deal beyond the usual anti apple types or idiot bloggers seeking to raise their traffic through the roof.
With the xbox 360 the failure rate in the real world was very real and the reputation for failure deserved, I still don't see that the reception is really that big a deal beyond the usual anti apple types or idiot bloggers seeking to raise their traffic through the roof.
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