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Yep, but the RRP is 399 quid - you can get them a lot cheaper now cos they've been out for an age. I presume the same will happen with the jesus phone once it's been around for as long - especially with it becoming available in 70 countries.
 
Yep, but the RRP is 399 quid - you can get them a lot cheaper now cos they've been out for an age. I presume the same will happen with the jesus phone once it's been around for as long - especially with it becoming available in 70 countries.
I didn't see many UK discounts for the iPhone.
 
True, but that's with a strictly controlled market of only 6 countries. I'd have thought a grey market would develop given time and worldwide supply.

But hey, I could easily be wrong.
 
Grundig could have released the exact same machine as the iPhone, before Apple, and it would still be a virtual unknown outside of the gadget geek community.

Yeah, but the trouble is no bastard ever does.

Like it or not, Apple has a genius designer in the form of Britain's Jonny Ive and Jobs helped shepherd the original Mac and the Next computer into existence, making him very experienced in developing new products.

There isn't another company out there that is capable of equalling that achievement.

However, as Windows dies off and Linux devices like the Eee proliferate, you will see more innovation to match Apple.

When Google launch their Android OS for mobiles, you will finally see some serious competition for the iPhone on the software side.

Hopefully the manufacturers will raise their game with regards to the hardware.
 
The back of the 3g phone will be plastic rather than metal as it is now.

Is this one of the ways they have cut the cost?
How will the phone stand up now to being dropped I wonder.
I know a couple of people with dented cases, one of them being me (accidents do happen).
Hope the new case is durable and not scratch prone.
 
Undoubtedly, Apple tech is nice stuff, but it is the PR Machine, and sheeps thinking whatever they make is cool, that drives the hype.

Grundig could have released the exact same machine as the iPhone, before Apple, and it would still be a virtual unknown outside of the gadget geek community.

If Grundig had invented the first 'PC', then cleverly stolen the first GUI from Xerox, then become dominant in the creative industries, then invented the iPod... Well, we'd be talking about them quite a bit I imagine.

I'd agree that sometimes people perceptions of Apple are sometimes too high, but that gets quickly corrected when do a duff product. MacBook Air thread, anyone? No - dubious product, everyone lost interest a week after launch.

Apple is not all powerful. It's not 'god like'.
Apple does not mind-control the world. Apple is not 'God-Like.
 
12 years ago Apple where about to go bust, Microsoft had something like a 40% stake in them.

This was before Steve Jobs came back on board.

Look at them now, talk about a turn around.

Regardless of what people think of Jobs, he has done an amazing job at getting Apple back on it's feet.
 
The back of the 3g phone will be plastic rather than metal as it is now.

Is this one of the ways they have cut the cost?
How will the phone stand up now to being dropped I wonder.
I know a couple of people with dented cases, one of them being me (accidents do happen).
Hope the new case is durable and not scratch prone.

The plastic back is to do with reception due to the different antennas the new phone needs. It's quite clever in that it also uses bits of the existing phone like the bezel and headphone jack socket to boost signal.
 
Undoubtedly, Apple tech is nice stuff, but it is the PR Machine, and sheeps thinking whatever they make is cool, that drives the hype.

Grundig could have released the exact same machine as the iPhone, before Apple, and it would still be a virtual unknown outside of the gadget geek community.

Perhaps, but remember the iPod. I wanted a hard disk MP3 player in 2000, I had one but it was big and shit and broke. Got my money back in the end.

Then Apple release the iPod for Mac only but it looked very very cool and slotted into a 'Want' for so many people. So much so that the Mac only thing was a minor limitation that people got around very quickly.

That bit of thinking got that product line to where it is today.
 
My boss, a Mac fan, just reffered to the iPhone as 'fucking pointless' until it gets a keypad. I think a lot of businesses will feel this way.
 
My boss, a Mac fan, just reffered to the iPhone as 'fucking pointless' until it gets a keypad. I think a lot of businesses will feel this way.

Its sleek, slim n sexy. If it had a keypad I'm not sure I'd want it anymore as you'd lose that. The touch pad if fine for emails and even for a bulletin board like this (guess how I'm typing this).

If I want to draft proper documents on the fly etc. I'd use a laptop not my phone.

People seem to want to do the same on their phone that they would at their office computer and think thats perfectly reasonble. I'd tell my boss to fuck off if they expected me to draft 4 page documents on a phone.

Be able to read a document and then phone em up maybe but not work on the damn thing.
 
anyone read this over at the register?

apparently Apple want to do a microsoft and take there chip design in house to save on cost.

All of this xbox360 red ring of death business is down to the gpu overheating which many believe is down to the cheap, Microsoft-designed gpus.

Apple are a software company not a hardware company just like Microsoft. Chipsets are insanely difficult to perfect and take years of many peoples experience and expertise. You don't see HTC or Sony making there own chips in house and there's a reason for that!

Its gonna take something serious to make me give up my windows powered devices now!
 
You dont see MacDonalds farming their own beef to make hamburgers.

Oh wait they do. Get it right and there can be huge savings from being your own supplier.
Apple know how to recruit software staff. You saying they can't recruit hardware staff, poach from other companies and set up a good team?

I think they'll do better than M$ who are four times more concerned about keeping unit costs down than Apple are as Apple go for the rich customer not the mass market.
 
When Google launch their Android OS for mobiles, you will finally see some serious competition for the iPhone on the software side.
Actually, much of Apple's current software lags behind the best available on other platforms.

There's no doubting that their browser is state of the art and the overall interface pleasing to the touch, but you can generally get superior applications elsewhere, especially when it comes to business/email.
I'd agree that sometimes people perceptions of Apple are sometimes too high, but that gets quickly corrected when do a duff product. MacBook Air thread, anyone? No - dubious product, everyone lost interest a week after launch.
It still got a whole load more publicity than, say, the superior Lenovo X300.
 
anyone read this over at the register?

apparently Apple want to do a microsoft and take there chip design in house to save on cost.

All of this xbox360 red ring of death business is down to the gpu overheating which many believe is down to the cheap, Microsoft-designed gpus.

Apple are a software company not a hardware company just like Microsoft. Chipsets are insanely difficult to perfect and take years of many peoples experience and expertise. You don't see HTC or Sony making there own chips in house and there's a reason for that!

Its gonna take something serious to make me give up my windows powered devices now!

Apple make the bulk of their cash selling hardware. They're as much a hardware company as Dell, AlienWare and Boxx.
 
Im wondering if I can get the phone for free and then afterwards drop back down to 35 quid tarriff as I dropped from 45 to 35 when they change the txts you got for 35.
 
Okays I just rang O2. You can go higher but not lower tariff for 9 months.

9 x £10 = £90

Then I switch back to £35 a month thereby saving myself £9, spreading the cost interest free and getting me loads of free minutes for 9 months. Just have to remember to ask to switch back and I'll get my new iPhone to remind me of that via my calender :D

If anyone else is thinking of following suit remeber they need a month's notice before the tariff change.
 
I await the PAYG tariff to be announced as to my next upgrade, still mightly happy with my K800i.
 
Actually, much of Apple's current software lags behind the best available on other platforms.

There's no doubting that their browser is state of the art and the overall interface pleasing to the touch, but you can generally get superior applications elsewhere, especially when it comes to business/email.

That's true, but how long have the other platforms been established?

The iTouch platform is only 1 year old, there aren't even any third party applications available for it yet! (Google maps aside as that is actually written by Apple)
 
Once that App Store opens it's gonna be crazy. I was pretty impressed with the medical apps being written, the games looked PSP quality and the ease you can develop your own was impressive.
T-mobile is running with it over here.
 
That's true, but how long have the other platforms been established?
I was responding to MullahNasrudin's comment which claimed that Apple were leading mobile software innovation.
When Google launch their Android OS for mobiles, you will finally see some serious competition for the iPhone on the software side.
The iTouch platform is only 1 year old, there aren't even any third party applications available for it yet! (Google maps aside as that is actually written by Apple)
Apple wrote Google Maps?!!!

Doesn't seem to say so here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Maps
 
Its sleek, slim n sexy. If it had a keypad I'm not sure I'd want it anymore as you'd lose that. The touch pad if fine for emails and even for a bulletin board like this (guess how I'm typing this).

If I want to draft proper documents on the fly etc. I'd use a laptop not my phone.

People seem to want to do the same on their phone that they would at their office computer and think thats perfectly reasonble. I'd tell my boss to fuck off if they expected me to draft 4 page documents on a phone.

Be able to read a document and then phone em up maybe but not work on the damn thing.

That's kinda the point I was making... it's a consumer phone to show off down the pub (or at Smollensky's ;)), not a business phone, even with the Exchange email.
 
So Apple created a copy of the Google Maps application that had already been freely available on several other platforms. That doesn't really help MullahNasrudin's argument, does it?
 
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