Apple iPhone and related items (cont.)

[Kid_Eternity]

So multitasking and multi exchange accounts plus gaming...hmmm

 

[sim667]

not for 3g and 2g is that?

 

[grit]

More specifically the fluff stuff like wallpapers and things like that. I've only seen those summary graphics shots but a lot of it seemed pretty basic stuff.

 

[Sunray]

No multi-tasking for the 2G and 3G phones.

Not that I care, I'll have the iPhone Wizzy when that is released at about the same time.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Seems so but also they said pretty much everything will run on the 3gs, a hint there's some unnannounced stuff only the new iPhone will do?

 

[grit]

looks like its 3gs only, thats going to piss a bunch of people off.

 

[Sunray]

"We figured out how to implement multitasking for third party apps and avoid those things. So that's what took so long".

Thats a piss poor excuse. Also a lot of this stuff is just bringing it on par with the jailbroken phones.

No what took them time was to write a whole mobile OS from scratch get it reliable and the hardware to run it on.

This is really starting to mature as a platform now.

 

[sim667]

if there's no multitasking on my 3g then there's no point upgrading, i dont play games, i dont read books on my phone, i certainly dont want advertising direct to my handset and it wont be able to multitask..... so there is literally no benefits.

 

[grit]

No what took them time was to write a whole mobile OS from scratch get it reliable and the hardware to run it on.

This is really starting to mature as a platform now.

Their updates have also been miles apart. Just seemed like a weak excuse.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

looks like its 3gs only, thats going to piss a bunch of people off.

All those original iPhone owners on two year contracts will probably just get the new one...

 

[Gromit]

looks like its 3gs only, thats going to piss a bunch of people off.

2G None
3G Some multitasking
3Gs Full multitasking

Thats how I've read it.

 

[grit]

if there's no multitasking on my 3g then there's no point upgrading, i dont play games, i dont read books on my phone, i certainly dont want advertising direct to my handset and it wont be able to multitask..... so there is literally no benefits.

Yeah, i was hoping i could take the iphone out of the drawer and have a play with the new update :/

E2A: I think im actually just going to wait until a full wrap up has come out, its too sketchy getting bite size chunks from loads of different sources.

 

[sim667]

2G None
3G Some multitasking
3Gs Full multitasking

Thats how I've read it.

Ive read it as no multitasking at all for 3g/2g

everything for 3gs.

 

[Sunray]

I'm not really interested in running it on my current iPhone, I need a new gadget.

There are a stack of things there that will make the dev community happy and that will in turn make for better applications. Hardware accelerated maths is an interesting one for physics games.

 

[Structaural]

boo going to have to buy a new phone, I was expecting to be able to download that today as well...

Still good stuff, nothing really amazing..., more stuff we've wanted for some time, but well implemented. They move again to the top of the smartphone OS pile I reckon.

 

[Gromit]

Q: can you go back on the 1 billion ad impressions and talk about how large mobile advertising is?

What suckup asked this?

As its obviously all Steve wants to talk about and has gone on and on about already!

 

[Sunray]

I don't mind iAd being there as long as its 100% optional. If there a movie or Nike create a cool application, thats fine, but if I unlock my phone and I am presented with a 10 second ad, then its Jail broken the moment the moment I can.

 

[sim667]

Just been looking at the list of features

as soon as the new version is jailbroken and backgrounder installed the 3g wont do anything the 3gs cant do tbh.....

not quite as miffed now.

 

[Sunray]

boo going to have to buy a new phone, I was expecting to be able to download that today as well...

Still good stuff, nothing really amazing..., more stuff we've wanted for some time, but well implemented. They move again to the top of the smartphone OS pile I reckon.

The 3G and the 3GS are nearly the same phone, the 3GS has a bit more memory and a faster CPU but essentially nothing very new.

The next phone with all those extra features and faster hardware when upgrading from the 3G will be a very noticeable step, the 3GS just wasn't and I doubt that a 3GS owner will want to upgrade to the next phone, as there won't be enough to make them jump.

 

[sim667]

Ryan Block from GDGT: What about running unsigned apps? Steve: You know, there's a porn store for Android. Anyone can download them. You can, your kids can. That's just not a place we want to go.

I want porn dammit! Apple clearly isnt listening to its customers

iMuff ftw!

 

[Sunray]

There are some things they didn't discuss, in App SMS, so people can finally write a super decent SMS application.

The only really weird thing they haven't got rid of yet is the notifications. Talk about primitive, it looks so totally out of place on such a sophisticated device yet they have left it unchanged.

Just buy Palm and then use their notification system. Use something other than that daft system that can get totally out of hand with lots of notifications.

I wonder if anyone can come up with a proper keyboard that will be better over the touch one and not make it chunky.

 

[Structaural]

The 3G and the 3GS are nearly the same phone, the 3GS has a bit more memory and a faster CPU but essentially nothing very new.

The next phone with all those extra features and faster hardware when upgrading from the 3G will be a very noticeable step, the 3GS just wasn't and I doubt that a 3GS owner will want to upgrade to the next phone, as there won't be enough to make them jump.

Yep, the two year wait will be worth it, I expect a new iPhone at the WDC in June *looks at busted iphone*, I'm getting a normal cheap phone until then. Might get some gardening and learning done instead of surfing the net and checking my emails all the time

It better have a thermometer like my mates casio watch did in 4th year (not sure if it beat my melody alarm casio watch 'cause that was way more annoying in class - but that got drapesd anyway...)

time for more beer

I wonder if anyone can come up with a proper keyboard that will be better over the touch one and not make it chunky.

speech recognition has got to be the next leap, get that shit working, with a scroll dial to modify drunkeness and shouting

 

[Bungle73]

fuck books

What's wrong with books? I've found reading books on my iPhone quite pleasurable. What will happen to current books apps with the launch of iBooks on the iPhone is what I want to know.

iads?

I dont understand, and i dont want fucking adverts on my phone, i paid for the device ffs!

I don't think it's giving you anything that isn't there already (some apps already have ads), but instead of opening them up in Safari like it does atm, they will open within the app.

 

[Crispy]

Exactly how I said they'd do it Save state for frozen apps and custom APIs for background tasks

xbox live-style gaming network will be huge

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Jesus these guys have been hard at work.

I think Fridgemagnets statement that the iPhone is now not the hotly developed item has just gone up in a puff of smoke. Lots of additions and it still looks like the usability of the device hasn't been compromised.

Mais non. I predicted that there wouldn't be any significant development in iPhone hardware at all and that it would all be software. Which this is.

Everything is proceeding as I had foreseen.

 

[sim667]

What's wrong with books? I've found reading books on my iPhone quite pleasurable. What will happen to current books apps with the launch of iBooks on the iPhone is what I want to know.

I don't think it's giving you anything that isn't there already (some apps already have ads), but instead of opening them up in Safari like it does atm, they will open within the app.

If i want books, ill buy them of amazon for 3 quid each...... not strain my eyes reading it off a backlit screen.

Yeah its not giving you anything that isnt there, but it is encouraging it.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

Can anyone be arsed to do a bullet point summary of the new good stuff?

 

[Crispy]

Can anyone be arsed to do a bullet point summary of the new good stuff?

http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2010/04/apple-announces-multitasking-and-more-for-iphone-os-40.ars

Multitasking
Better enterprise support
iBook store
email improvements (including threading and unified inbox)
API opening up (inc. photos and calendar)
Gaming social network - like xbox live
Better app organisation

 

[sim667]

Can anyone be arsed to do a bullet point summary of the new good stuff?

• Multitasking (3gs only)
• voip
• iphone gaming live (like xobx live basically)
• UI changed to include app folders
• ibooks
• changeable wallpaper
• something about a tentpole

 

[Bungle73]

Mais non. I predicted that there wouldn't be any significant development in iPhone hardware at all and that it would all be software. Which this is.

Everything is proceeding as I had foreseen.

This wasn't about hardware, it was about the new OS. The new hardware will probably be announced in June.