Apple iPad and related items

[bouncer_the_dog]

editor.. you have been consistantly anti apple for as long as I have ever known of your existance. Based on your views I forsook apple for a PC. About two years ago I got an MBP and now having experienced both sides am now very happy with the apple side of things. I have to say I do not think you are impartial in your views on apple products.

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

wait what no fucking usb?

sorry forgot myself there for a moment it doesn't have usb becaulse it's not a laptop/netbook/tablet at all ... it really is just a giant ipod touch

 

[elbows]

Its reasonable to expect that future OS 4.0 will have multitasking, though not a cert. They might be paranoid about anything ever running in a way that looks well sluggish, which would get in the way of providing multitasking.

Apple or 3rd party webcam addon seems plausible at some point.

Weight is bound to be an issue with tablets, no matter how hard they try. As I probably mentioned earlier, heat is another factor that can make tablets uncomfortable to use for long periods, so will be interesting to see how iPad performs in this regard.

It feeling fast is very good news and quite essential if it is to uphold the iphone tradition of not being highly annoying to operate. This is one of the areas that other manufacturers have not learnt the lessons of the iphone properly in the last 3 years, you need to accelerate your interface so that it feel very responsive to what you are doing with your finger right now.

 

[fen_boy]

I've heard iBooks is US only.

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

also last time i checked ebooks are still really damn expensive and i mean hardback type prices

 

[UnderOpenSky]

It seems very strange to have a device that big that can't multi-task and it would soon become a real pain opening and closing apps all the time,
Here's Engadget's hands on.

No camera, no flash, no hardware keyboard, no SD slot, no gesture areas, no DVI/HDMI ports, no USB, and it can't run Mac OS apps - and it's going to be heavy to hold after a while.

As a concept I think its great, now I can wait for the lower cost and more versatile versions powered by Atoms and Ion chips to come from other manufacturers.

No doubt the apple will be slicker to use and better made, but that's the choice we make.

 

[cliche guevara]

And not as commonly available as music via other less legitimate channels.

Edit: @ebooks comments.

 

[editor]

editor.. you have been consistantly anti apple for as long as I have ever known of your existance. Based on your views I forsook apple for a PC. About two years ago I got an MBP and now having experienced both sides am now very happy with the apple side of things. I have to say I do not think you are impartial in your views on apple products.

My opinions are honest and the criticisms on the iPad would apply to any similar device on any platform not offering multi-tasking, USB, SD slots or a proper keyboard. I don't recall slagging off any other Apple products recently.

You are aware that I own an iPhone, yes?

 

[Kanda]

I think they've gone a bit long of themselves. (bit overconfident...)

Yeah, the iPhone (once in 3GS version) DID allow some people to leave the laptop at home, casual users that like being connected etc, anyone with serious need would still carry a lappy/netbook of some sort...

This doesn't quite cut the mustard even for an early adopter like me, yet. The original iPhone didn't for most either (apart from early adopters like me ). But they at least improved on it over time. Can they do that with this? I'm not entirely sure, I'll keep an eye on it for sure. Am not likely to buy 'just another netbook' though, if I wanted one of those, I'd get my company to buy me one.

It's funny listening to people dissapointed that it didn't live up to the rumour.. lol, come on, really??!!

I hope they sort it out, it could have been a lot better. But now the race is one with all manufacturers... ship it in Innovation time across the board.

 

[UnderOpenSky]

also last time i checked ebooks are still really damn expensive and i mean hardback type prices

I'm wondering what will happen to the publishing industry when they catch on and people start torrenting them. It's not like that authors can go and gig, sell the rights to radio/tv or flog overpriced merchandise.

Anyway for an ebook reader I want a cheap as chips device that's tough and contains few features, so I don't have to worry about where I take it. Would you want to take an iPad to the beach?

 

[paolo]

Just in case anyone isn't aware, the OS supports multitasking, but it is inhibited for 3rd party apps unless you hack it.

 

[editor]

As a concept I think its great, now I can wait for the lower cost and more versatile versions powered by Atoms and Ion chips to come from other manufacturers.

No doubt the apple will be slicker to use and better made, but that's the choice we make.

It's part of the reason I find this launch so frustrating.

I thought Apple would have been able to sprinkle their fairy dust about and create a fantastic Kindle/netbook/mini Mac OS hybrid, but I can't think of any reason why I'd want to fork out £500+ for an inflated iPhone that can't even multi-task.

I'm sure there'll be big improvements coming up, so maybe it will become a more compelling offering in a few months, but at the moment it's all a bit 'meh' for me.

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

i'd love it if ibook had a link to Project Gutenberg so you could get loads of free books

but will it fuck

 

[editor]

I think they've gone a bit long of themselves. (bit overconfident...)

Yeah, the iPhone (once in 3GS version) DID allow some people to leave the laptop at home, casual users that like being connected etc, anyone with serious need would still carry a lappy/netbook of some sort...

This doesn't quite cut the mustard even for an early adopter like me, yet. The original iPhone didn't for most either (apart from early adopters like me ). But they at least improved on it over time. Can they do that with this? I'm not entirely sure, I'll keep an eye on it for sure. Am not likely to buy 'just another netbook' though, if I wanted one of those, I'd get my company to buy me one.

It's funny listening to people dissapointed that it didn't live up to the rumour.. lol, come on, really??!!

I hope they sort it out, it could have been a lot better. But now the race is one with all manufacturers... ship it in Innovation time across the board.

The thing is, netbooks are hideously flawed beasties. They're mainly rubbish to use, fiddly to type on and not very pretty to look at, but they filled an immediate need and people flocked to buy the things.

I'm not feeling any of those emotions towards the iPad and that's a shame because - believe it or not - I quite like seeing shiny new things that make me go, "want."

 

[elbows]

Ideally lots of people will be uninterested int he iPad at launch so that I can actually get one straight away without stock issues, and then by the time Ive developed something for it more people will have decided that actually its great.

Certainly as a developer I have concerns about how it hasnt gone down that well so far, and I am not certain it will succeed, but my posts make it fairly clear that I think there is plenty of hope yet, its early days.

Heck even if its a complete failure it will have motivated me to learn more about certain web development technologies in the next 60 days, most of which are applicable to far more than just the iPad or iPhone. Im hoping that the iPad and iphone etc will support webGL at some point, which could be fun.

 

[Kanda]

As a developer point of view.. wicked stuff. Cash cow times like when the original SDK was released. Good luck!

I paid for the SDK and membership and stuff when it 1st came out a year ago.. I've done fuck all!! Doh!!

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

I'm not feeling any of those emotions towards the iPad and that's a shame because - believe it or not - I quite like seeing shiny new things that make me go, "want."

does the missus know?

 

[elbows]

As a developer point of view.. wicked stuff. Cash cow times like when the original SDK was released. Good luck!

I paid for the SDK and membership and stuff when it 1st came out a year ago.. I've done fuck all!! Doh!!

Cheers. The reason I am so happy today is that once i got an ipod touch (& later an iphone) I realised that the sort of stuff I wanted to do doesnt work on screens that small. Its been a really long wait for me for Apple to do a larger screened device. I didnt make best use of the wait by getting up to scratch on developing with all the tech, so now I have to cram a lot in in 60 days, silly me.

Making much money from developing for the iPad is only a dream for me because I dont actually know if my ideas and skills are any good, looks like this is the year I get to find out. If it all goes wrong then the iPad can just become a web-reading gadget and overpriced remote control for my realtime visual animations hobby.

 

[elbows]

I'm not feeling any of those emotions towards the iPad and that's a shame because - believe it or not - I quite like seeing shiny new things that make me go, "want."

So if you sit and enjoy the iphone and imagine the possibilities of a larger screen but with that experience, no parts of the brain start to buzz? Im genuinely interested because obviously Im far too smitten with multitouch to accurately imagine what other minds think of the possibilities.

Would it take many great apps before this device started to look very attractive?

 

[UnderOpenSky]

So if you sit and enjoy the iphone and imagine the possibilities of a larger screen but with that experience, no parts of the brain start to buzz? Im genuinely interested because obviously Im far too smitten with multitouch to accurately imagine what other minds think of the possibilities.

Would it take many great apps before this device started to look very attractive?

Yes, I know I bang on about it loads, but mapping apps could get very exciting! Pinch to zoom on such a big area whilst on my lap? Yes please!

 

[editor]

So if you sit and enjoy the iphone and imagine the possibilities of a larger screen but with that experience, no parts of the brain start to buzz? Im genuinely interested because obviously Im far too smitten with multitouch to accurately imagine what other minds think of the possibilities.

Would it take many great apps before this device started to look very attractive?

Not really because it's just another device to lug about that I can't even make calls on. Or take pictures with.

It's not going to be particularly nice to type on, and without multi-tasking, the thing is pretty much useless as a laptop replacement.

If I was loaded, I'd probably buy one as a bedroom iPlayer/book reader/games player, but I really can't see anything it can do that I can't do already on either my iPhone or my netbook.

 

[elbows]

iTampon is a hot trending topic on twitter.

 

[bouncer_the_dog]

My opinions are honest and the criticisms on the iPad would apply to any similar device on any platform not offering multi-tasking, USB, SD slots or a proper keyboard. I don't recall slagging off any other Apple products recently.

You are aware that I own an iPhone, yes?

Indeed not. But I don't want to step into the mac/pc flame war territory.. But I try to see the posatives in things..

 

[mincepie]

Jesus. This is worse than those religous channels u get in hotel rooms in the us

http://www.ustream.tv/leolaporte#utm_campaign=flive&utm_source=1&utm_medium=technology-computers

I left this on when I went out at 6 - and the same two people are still talking!!!

 

[Kanda]

If I was loaded, I'd probably buy one as a bedroom iPlayer/book reader/games player, but I really can't see anything it can do that I can't do already on either my iPhone or my netbook.

I wouldn't even if I was loaded.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

iTampon is a hot trending topic on twitter.

as is "giant iPhone"

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

Jesus. This is worse than those religous channels u get in hotel rooms in the us

http://www.ustream.tv/leolaporte#utm_campaign=flive&utm_source=1&utm_medium=technology-computers

fucking hell, that's like watching/listening to a massive experiment in autistic nonsense of the nth degree....

 

[elbows]

Not really because it's just another device to lug about that I can't even make calls on. Or take pictures with.

It's not going to be particularly nice to type on, and without multi-tasking, the thing is pretty much useless as a laptop replacement.

If I was loaded, I'd probably buy one as a bedroom iPlayer/book reader/games player, but I really can't see anything it can do that I can't do already on either my iPhone or my netbook.

Cheers, yep thats certainly a lot of the issues with the whole tablet genre.

I suppose the purchase is a no brainer for me not just because of developer career hopes and whilst I havent got much money I have credit cards and no family to support and I am stupid and have spent a lot more money than this in the past on crap windows tablet & umpc.

If these things did catch on and people spent lots of time on them without having other computers & tvs switched on at the same time, quite a lot of electricity could be saved. It is possible that the tablet form factor could fit better with our future lives & energy realities. At a push I can even imagine it has a role in a grand migration away from the car and back to public transport - everyone can ignore fellow passengers by staring at their tablets.

 

[elbows]

If the whole tablet class of device fails to catch on this year, I guess they may as well give up until such a time as devices can weigh even less, and be folded or rolled up and are affordable. I presume that will eventually be possible if no global events get in the way of high-tech industries march.

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

tablet laptops are nice though i severely crave a thinklpad tablet... but that's because it has power as well as the tablet interface