Amazon Kindle Fire Tablet: $199

[Kid_Eternity]

I think it is a threat to the iPad. I reckon within 2 years there'll be more of these sold than iPads. The iPad is just too big and too expensive to appeal to as wide a section of the market as the Fire. My Mum or Dad would never get an iPad, but they did get a Kindle and they did get iPods and they would get this.

I'm not so sure...my feeling at present is the tablet market is largely going to mimic the mp3 market of the last decade but we shall see...plus all Apple has to do is release a 7 incher and it'll head off the competition easily as it has a superior user experience but more importantly a very well connected app eco system.

 

[UnderOpenSky]

Problem with relying on the cloud is you just can't get a fast enough data connection most of the time...sure 3g can be great, but more often then not you wouldn't want to stream music let alone video with it. Not for me with such a tiny memory.

 

[UnderOpenSky]

I'd be more excited about another large company making e readers rather then just another tablet.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Problem with relying on the cloud is you just can't get a fast enough data connection most of the time...sure 3g can be great, but more often then not you wouldn't want to stream music let alone video with it. Not for me with such a tiny memory.

For your average user I don't expect 8 gig is actually that bad (for me it's pitifully small) and if they're using it primarily at home net connection won't be that big an issue either.

 

[mrs quoad]

I'm not so sure...my feeling at present is the tablet market is largely going to mimic the mp3 market of the last decade but we shall see...plus all Apple has to do is release a 7 incher and it'll head off the competition easily as it has a superior user experience but more importantly a very well connected app eco system.

Crikey.

So the iPad, the iPod / iPhone, and an intermediate touch gadget in between?! You reckon?!

Problem with relying on the cloud is you just can't get a fast enough data connection most of the time...sure 3g can be great, but more often then not you wouldn't want to stream music let alone video with it. Not for me with such a tiny memory.

I'm kinda aware of how long it takes to DL 8gb to my iMac; I'm not too sure I'd want to be doing that too regularly with any device I wanted to do stuff with

 

[UnderOpenSky]

For your average user I don't expect 8 gig is actually that bad (for me it's pitifully small) and if they're using it primarily at home net connection won't be that big an issue either.

Genuine question...do most people use tablets mostly at home? My laptop never comes out unless I leave the house, if I owned a tablet it would probably be similar as it wouldn't be replacing my Kindle.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Crikey.

So the iPad, the iPod / iPhone, and an intermediate touch gadget in between?! You reckon?!

Yup, Apple will do it if there's a serious threat to their profits, simple corporate logic really. Do what makes you the most money, come up with clever advertising to distract from that and change tac when it suits to make more money.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Genuine question...do most people use tablets mostly at home? My laptop never comes out unless I leave the house, if I owned a tablet it would probably be similar as it wouldn't be replacing my Kindle.

Data is sketchy but there's been a couple of polls which suggest people use their iPads mainly at home (I'm not sure any other tablet has sold well enough to make polling worthwhile tbh).

 

[Crispy]

Genuine question...do most people use tablets mostly at home? My laptop never comes out unless I leave the house, if I owned a tablet it would probably be similar as it wouldn't be replacing my Kindle.

Mostly at home. It's a computer for the lounge and bedroom.

 

[ChrisFilter]

iPads are too big/too valuable to take out with you casually. On longer trips, of course, but to work every day? No.

 

[ChrisFilter]

I'm not so sure...my feeling at present is the tablet market is largely going to mimic the mp3 market of the last decade but we shall see...plus all Apple has to do is release a 7 incher and it'll head off the competition easily as it has a superior user experience but more importantly a very well connected app eco system.

It won't head it off easily because Apple won't do it for much less than the 10" tablets. The mp3 market is, on the whole, a sub-£200 market. With iPads being nearer £500 it's a very different ball game - nearer the Mac as luxury item, PC as mainstay home computer market.

 

[mrs quoad]

iPads are too big/too valuable to take out with you casually. On longer trips, of course, but to work every day? No.

Really? I was routinely working out of the house with mine for a good 6 months, earlier this year.

e2a: though tbf, this really really isn't a high crime area.

 

[Kanda]

iPads are too big/too valuable to take out with you casually. On longer trips, of course, but to work every day? No.

I always take mine everywhere. Sky Go in the pub for Jeff Stelling on a Saturday afternoon rocks Also, I can remote desktop in with it if I get out of hours calls.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

It won't head it off easily because Apple won't do it for much less than the 10" tablets. The mp3 market is, on the whole, a sub-£200 market. With iPads being nearer £500 it's a very different ball game - nearer the Mac as luxury item, PC as mainstay home computer market.

And yet people are still buying Apple products in the recession and the current economic time of austerity. But as I said we shall see, I'm not 100% on my views on this, and don't think anyone really understands how the tablet market is going to pan out...

 

[ChrisFilter]

And yet people are still buying Apple products in the recession and the current economic time of austerity. But as I said we shall see, I'm not 100% on my views on this, and don't think anyone really understands how the tablet market is going to pan out...

Of course they are, but more people are buying cheaper Windows PCs.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Of course they are, but more people are buying cheaper Windows PCs.

So if Apple releases a 7" tablet at a cheaper price than the ipad how will they lose?

 

[ChrisFilter]

EBecause it won't be cheap enough now Amazon have brought a $199 rival onto the market.

 

[editor]

I don't think we'll be getting this tablet in the UK any time soon because Amazon doesn't have the same content deals as it does in the States - and without that, it loses a lot of its appeal.

 

[editor]

So if Apple releases a 7" tablet at a cheaper price than the ipad how will they lose?

But Steve Jobs has emphatically informed us that 7-Inch Tablets Are ‘Dead on Arrival’!

 

[elbows]

I don't think we'll be getting this tablet in the UK any time soon because Amazon doesn't have the same content deals as it does in the States - and without that, it loses a lot of its appeal.

Yeah, especially if they struggle for ages to meet amazing demand stateside.

 

[Lazy Llama]

I don't think we'll be getting this tablet in the UK any time soon because Amazon doesn't have the same content deals as it does in the States - and without that, it loses a lot of its appeal.

Amazon own Lovefilm, I suspect they're okay on media deals in the UK
LF have just launched an iPad app for streaming movies.

The advertising revenue might be more of an issue.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

But Steve Jobs has emphatically informed us that 7-Inch Tablets Are ‘Dead on Arrival’!

So? He's said things like that before and gone and done it. Btw you do know that Jobs aint running the show now at Apple right?

 

[editor]

Amazon own Lovefilm, I suspect they're okay on media deals in the UK
LF have just launched an iPad app for streaming movies.

The advertising revenue might be more of an issue.

But there's no Amazon Music or Amazon Cloud here and there's potentially legal issues about the browser.

In reflection, it may be due to U.S. cloud and legal concerns regarding the Silk browser, as documented by colleague Steven J. Vaughan-Nicols. In short, the tablets cannot be sold in the European market because the cloud-based browser would be in breach of European data protection laws. Though data would reside in an EU-based datacenter, because Amazon is a U.S. headquartered company, the data would still be vulnerable to U.S. law.

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/igenerati...lable-to-europe-blame-us-legal-concerns/12999

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Amazon own Lovefilm, I suspect they're okay on media deals in the UK
LF have just launched an iPad app for streaming movies.

The advertising revenue might be more of an issue.

Yep, the new streaming iPad is a very neat idea, I've been wondering when Amazon would turn LOVEfilm into it's netflix for devices...

 

[mrs quoad]

(((Apple)))

PS Check out the title of the thread. It's about the new Amazon tablet, not irrelevant, two year old arguments about your favourite tech company.

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But Steve Jobs has emphatically informed us that 7-Inch Tablets Are ‘Dead on Arrival’!

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[Kid_Eternity]

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[/mischief]

LOL!

 

[lobster]

And yet people are still buying Apple products in the recession and the current economic time of austerity.

I have somewhat wondered myself why Apple,Microsoft and others are doing extremely well in recession.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

I have somewhat wondered myself why Apple,Microsoft and others are doing extremely well in recession.

Yep me too...xbox kinect has sold insanely well despite the downturn. Perhaps it's investing in things you can entertain yourself with at home rather than spending loads going out?

 

[pinkmonkey]

Problem with relying on the cloud is you just can't get a fast enough data connection most of the time...sure 3g can be great, but more often then not you wouldn't want to stream music let alone video with it. Not for me with such a tiny memory.

We run our business without a landline, relying on 3g internet. It has it's limitations - I would never rely on the cloud because you can't get a connection everywhere (we have dongles from 3 different providers in order to have a better chance of a connection). The connection bugs out - I use an FTP uploader and have an account with yousendit, because there's no way you'll get big files to go anywhere otherwise. The more people use 3g the shitter it gets (bandwidth). I've been a user of 3g since it came out and as soon as everyone started getting iphones it got flakey. The service providers haven't yet caught up with the number of users (IMO)

ETA I still think this tablet will absolutely cane everyone else who isn't Apple. I bet RIM are shitting themselves. I don't think the size is a problem - I do feel like a bit of a tit/flash get when using my giant tablet on public transport. This is a bit more manageable.

 

[editor]

ETA I still think this tablet will absolutely cane everyone else who isn't Apple. I bet RIM are shitting themselves. I don't think the size is a problem - I do feel like a bit of a tit/flash get when using my giant tablet on public transport. This is a bit more manageable.

Yep. I think a 7" tablet is going to be the perfect size for a lot of people.