Afghanistan: Mission Accomplished

[krtek a houby]

We’ve now got twats like Tate singing the virtues of oppressive Arab states. Presumably because women are treated like shit by law. Hopefully he’ll fuck off there.

Afghanistan isn't an Arab state.

Jail's probably the best place for him to be, so he can't treat women like shit in any country.

 

[teqniq]

Maybe if her and her squaddie pals had done a less shit job of it the Taliban wouldn't be back in charge. Just a thought.

As if. This is the graveyard of empires we're talking about here. I absolutely despise the Taliban and everything they stand for but they are very difficult indeed to defeat. They also have the backing of outside actors who have their own agenda, Pakistan's ISI for instance.

 

[Pickman's model]

Maybe if her and her squaddie pals had done a less shit job of it the Taliban wouldn't be back in charge. Just a thought.

To be fair the greater errors were made at a rather more senior level than she occupied

 

[gosub]

Maybe if her and her squaddie pals had done a less shit job of it the Taliban wouldn't be back in charge. Just a thought.

Given their anti stance at the time and the harsh drought that happened reckon Taliban would have been booted the year after without the invasion.

As is more on Pompeo than anyon3 else

 

[krtek a houby]

Parklife

Taliban ban women from national park in Afghanistan

Minister says women visiting the lakes of Band-e-Amir have not been wearing their hijabs properly

www.theguardian.com

 

[teqniq]

Bleak as fuck

‘Despair is settling in’: female suicides on rise in Taliban’s Afghanistan

Unofficial figures point to a mental health crisis amid severe restrictions on Afghan women’s lives

www.theguardian.com

 

[likesfish]

Taliban stop female Afghan students leaving country to study in Dubai
afghan was so utterly missmanged the simplest solution to the poppy trade BUY THE LOT us could buy every poppy Afghanistan could grow for the price of a stealth bomber ok some could be sold for medical use rest sold cheaply to the chinese *

* it worked last time

 

[Flavour]

yeah but they eradicated the poppies so that's good innit

 

[teqniq]

2 years later:

First flight bringing Afghan refugees from Pakistan lands in UK

Many Afghans who fled the Taliban after working with the UK government are waiting for relocation.

www.bbc.com

 

[Chz]

I know that everything that came out of the intervention was horrible in so many ways, but I can't help but have a chuckle over this.

Taliban Members Fed Up With Office Work, Ready to Quiet Quit

A new report says some jihadists who transitioned to desk jobs after the Taliban’s takeover are tired of the 9-to-5.

time.com

 

[SpookyFrank]

Pity they can't let women do some of these jobs isn't it.

 

[teqniq]

This is completely shit of the UK government:

Elite Afghan troops face return to Taliban after UK 'betrayal'

About 200 British-trained special forces soldiers are in danger as Pakistan expels undocumented foreigners.

www.bbc.com

 

[bellaozzydog]

I live next to a halfway house that houses veterans in their transition from the VA hospital or homeless shelter to standard housing. Most of them have PTSD and are recovering addicts of one sort or another. They get pushed around and shat on by the VA, pumped full of psychoactive drugs, and then tested to make sure they're on those drugs because people stop taking them due to the bad effects. (One guy was using THC and found it a better option, but when he had a VA appointment, he'd have to start taking all of the prescribed drugs to pass the drug test). They would get letters setting an appointment time a week after the appointment. And then, they'd get punished for missing the appointment. Or, they'd cut off services because of an unpaid bill or all of $12. During the week of the fourth of July all of them would disappear because they couldn't take the fireworks. Yet, the US claims to value its veterans highly.

God bless America

 

[phildwyer]

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[Yuwipi Woman]

Didn't know where else to put this. The Taliban have banned the sound of women's voices in public. They cannot sing, recitie, reading aloud, or speak to anyone outside the men in their family in public.

Afghanistan’s Taliban rulers are cracking down on the sound of women’s voices in public, under a strict new set of vice and virtue laws under the Islamist regime.

The laws were issued Wednesday after they were approved by supreme leader Hibatullah Akhundzada, a government spokesman said, and cover aspects of everyday life like public transportation, music, shaving and celebrations.

Among the new rules, Article 13 relates to women: It says it is mandatory for a woman to veil her body at all times in public and that a face covering is essential to avoid temptation and tempting others. Clothing should not be thin, tight or short.

Women are also obliged to cover themselves in front of non-Muslim males and females to avoid being corrupted. A woman’s voice is deemed intimate and so should not be heard singing, reciting, or reading aloud in public. It is forbidden for women to look at men they are not related to by blood or marriage and vice versa.

“Inshallah we assure you that this Islamic law will be of great help in the promotion of virtue and the elimination of vice,” said ministry spokesman Maulvi Abdul Ghafar Farooq on Thursday, of the new laws.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/22/middleeast/taliban-law-women-voices-intl-latam/index.htm

The Taliban are the main sinners as far as I can see. They should ban themselves.

 

[May Kasahara]

"In public" can apparently include being overheard doing any of those things inside their own house.

So disgusted by this I don't know what to do. Who can we lobby to recognise and support the rights of women and girls? Are there organisations working on their behalf that I can support? Genuine questions.

 

[Red Cat]

My eldest told me about this. She keeps coming to me with such awful news, and I don't know how to respond.

 

[ska invita]

The US funded the Afghan mujahedeen in a proxy war of their creation, which in turn spawned the Taliban...US funding terrorism since day fucking one...utterly destroyed Afghanistan in every which way

 

[teqniq]

Fuck the Taliban.

 

[hash tag]

Sadly, so very sadly, I can't say I am surprised. I'm loathe to think what the next step could be.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

What a depraved regime. Barbarism in its purest form.

 

[Wkdloz]

What a depraved regime. Barbarism in its purest form.

Terrible place for women however it was never up to the West to force its culture and morals on Afghans. We have gone from Imperialism to cultural and moral imperialism. If the Afghans are to change it must come from the inside.

 

[A380]

The US funded the Afghan mujahedeen in a proxy war of their creation, which in turn spawned the Taliban...US funding terrorism since day fucking one...utterly destroyed Afghanistan in every which way

It's me that normally makes stupid "Nato's fault' comments.

I think the USSR kicked off that particular war, which was a major contributor of the later fall of that particular empire. They didn't learn from our (British Empire's) multiple failed attempts to conquer Afghanistan and then of course us and the Septics failed to learn from the Russian failures.

That being said you do seem to be taking a bit of a paternalistic line vis your apparent removal of agency from the Afghani people (well Taliban men). Lots of post colonial countries that have seen empires off that don't take such an obscene line with their treatment of women and girls. The people of Vietnam as just one example gave first the French, then the American's and then the Chinese a pretty good shoeing and yet don't seem hell bent on reducing women to a somewhat lower status than farm animals...

 

[CNT36]

It's me that normally makes stupid "Nato's fault' comments.

I think the USSR kicked off that particular war, which was a major contributor of the later fall of that particular empire. They didn't learn from our (British Empire's) multiple failed attempts to conquer Afghanistan and then of course us and the Septics failed to learn from the Russian failures.

That being said you do seem to be taking a bit of a paternalistic line vis your apparent removal of agency from the Afghani people (well Taliban men). Lots of post colonial countries that have seen empires off that don't take such an obscene line with their treatment of women and girls. The people of Vietnam as just one example gave first the French, then the American's and then the Chinese a pretty good shoeing and yet don't seem hell bent on reducing women to a somewhat lower status than farm animals...

The soviet forces and their allies fought a brutal war committing many crimes (rape, mass killing of civilians) in Afghanistan though the US was sending arms even before the invasion partly in hope of bringing such a thing about.

 

[StoneRoad]

and this ...

MMA in Afghanistan? Too violent for the Taliban

Officials say mixed martials arts poses a risk of death and is incompatible with Islamic law.

www.bbc.co.uk

although they may have a point MMA is very violent

 

[Dogsauce]

Maybe they need to blow up a few historic statues again to get people in the rest of the world paying attention. Oppressing women just doesn’t cut it.

 

[Pickman's model]

The soviet forces and their allies fought a brutal war committing many crimes (rape, mass killing of civilians) in Afghanistan though the US was sending arms even before the invasion partly in hope of bringing such a thing about.

Very interested to see your source for us arming someone before Soviet invasion

 

[CNT36]

Very interested to see your source for us arming someone before Soviet invasion

Well there is Zbigniew Brzezinski's well publicised bragging for one but tbf it could just be that. I have books at home that make the case quite strongly though. I'll see if I can find something over the weekend. Feel free to poke if I forget.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

What a depraved regime. Barbarism in its purest form.

Maybe they need to blow up a few historic statues again to get people in the rest of the world paying attention. Oppressing women just doesn’t cut it.

What do you think the international community should do to improve the situation? Lodge protests? Impose more sanctions, which haven't worked in the past and made the lives of the people more miserable, but not the Taliban? Invade? Spend billions of the dollars destroying and rebuilding a country mostly so military contractors can make money? I'm all for doing something, but you need a clear plan that has some chance of being successful over the long term. I just don't see one at the moment.

 

[Combustible]

Very interested to see your source for us arming someone before Soviet invasion

Question: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his memoirs that the American intelligence services began to aid the Mujahiddin in Afghanistan six months before the Soviet intervention. In this period you were the national security adviser to President Carter. You therefore played a key role in this affair. Is this correct?

Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahiddin began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan on December 24, 1979. But the reality, closely guarded until now, is completely otherwise: Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention

Brzezinski Interview | David N. Gibbs

dgibbs.arizona.edu

So Brzezinski is not the only source, Robert Gates also said it happened.