Actions against the policing bill

[JTG]

 

[hitmouse]

Left at about 9:30 as you could see the cops getting ready to move in and I'm on best behaviour. Hope people are safe. Agree about St Paul's.

What's happening across the UK tomorrow?

Bristol, Manchester, Kingston, Sheffield, Birmingham, Brighton, Cambridge, Cardiff, Winchester, Bath, Portsmouth, and Lancaster this weekend, apparently. Dunno if owt's on in London though?

 

[Pickman's model]

To quote the words of Chris Greany back at him and those boilersuited shitkickers whom he so clearly wishes to still be leading out there, “If you were involved you will be on camera. Someone will know you. We will find you and we will come and get you. Surrender before we get you!”

You may think you are anonymous, protected by the Blue Code, inoculated against punishment, secure and safe from shame, guilt or repercussions, but in the end, you will be found out, because you always are

Because actions. have. consequences.

Yeh, if you know 'em shop 'em

All of them will have form

 

[DaveCinzano]

Dude above being arrested

Here's that lad's stream from when he was arrested - copper asked him what his stream was called, he named it, copper said he couldn't hear so could he come closer, fella said “If I come closer, you won't hit me will you?”, “No no, course not”, then when the bloke moves closer and says his stream's name again, copper grabs him and tells him he's under arrest because “You were involved in violent disorder on Saturday night, you've been identified as being involved...”

“What Saturday night? What, you mean here?”
“Yes, you were involved, you've been identified as having been involved...on suspicion of violent disorder.”
“I wasn't here mate!”



Well iffy, and the snatch squad can't even manage the basics of getting the day right.

 

[DaveCinzano]

Waves to Jaipur and Karachi

 

[DaveCinzano]

Oh, and obvs some journos got a discreet amount of bashing about too

 

[JTG]

Here's that lad's stream from when he was arrested - copper asked him what his stream was called, he named it, copper said he couldn't hear so could he come closer, fella said “If I come closer, you won't hit me will you?”, “No no, course not”, then when the bloke moves closer and says his stream's name again, copper grabs him and tells him he's under arrest because “You were involved in violent disorder on Saturday night, you've been identified as being involved...”

“What Saturday night? What, you mean here?”
“Yes, you were involved, you've been identified as having been involved...on suspicion of violent disorder.”
“I wasn't here mate!”



Well iffy, and the snatch squad can't even manage the basics of getting the day right.

Bit naive of him but apparently he'd been streaming for seven hours so was probably not thinking straight

 

[DaveCinzano]

Bit naive of him but apparently he'd been streaming for seven hours so was probably not thinking straight

Trusay, and I would refer the Rt Hon Gentleman to my statement of 21st March:

• Definitely DON'T LIVESTREAM

 

[BristolEcho]

Trusay, and I would refer the Rt Hon Gentleman to my statement of 21st March:

It's the first time I've come across it at protests. Felt it was a bit odd on the whole and I spent time wondering how many of them were actually allies too. Probably not many.

 

[Humberto]

Thanks for these updates. Funny how they cut services so drastically that there is barely a police presence and involvement with communities yet they still remain the worst sort of obedient attack dogs if you answer back. Well done and best wishes to those out tonight in legitimate protest.

 

[JTG]

Oh, and obvs some journos got a discreet amount of bashing about too

Must be half a dozen journalists they've either arrested or assaulted this week

 

[DaveCinzano]

Must be half a dozen journalists they've either arrested or assaulted this week

That's probably the equivalent of the entire provincial newspaper newsrooms of the West Country at current levels of staffing

 

[JTG]

That's probably the equivalent of the entire provincial newspaper newsrooms of the West Country at current levels of staffing

And half of that's the sports desk

 

[DaveCinzano]

And half of that's the sports desk

I hear the Cornish quoits correspondent took a right toeing

 

[JTG]

The Avon & Somerset were humiliated on Sunday and they've been out for revenge all week since. Third violent rampage by them in six days. Make no mistake, their intention is to smash this movement and consolidate their new powers. They have the full backing of the state.

Question is, what is the country going to do about it?

 

[existentialist]

The Avon & Somerset were humiliated on Sunday and they've been out for revenge all week since. Third violent rampage by them in six days. Make no mistake, their intention is to smash this movement and consolidate their new powers. They have the full backing of the state.

Question is, what is the country going to do about it?

I imagine that they are hoping that, by coming down hard on protesters, they will discourage others from joining.

I suspect that this will turn out to be monumentally naive.

 

[DaveCinzano]

 

[Ground Elder]

 

[Humberto]

The Avon & Somerset were humiliated on Sunday and they've been out for revenge all week since. Third violent rampage by them in six days. Make no mistake, their intention is to smash this movement and consolidate their new powers. They have the full backing of the state.

Question is, what is the country going to do about it?

Sling Priti Patel out on her ear.

 

[Doctor Carrot]

I'm sometimes a bit dubious about protests that go like this. Seems everytime the police say it was protesters that caused it and protesters say the police caused it but this is something else. I've not seen this level of violence by the police in this country in my adult life I don't think.

 

[krtek a houby]

Next up, internment

 

[Doctor Carrot]

What's happening on the ground now? I can still hear helicopters out but no reporting.

 

[Rimbaud]

I am fucking raging watching these scenes and I'm gonna be out on the streets on the first opportunity, sure I'm not the only one either.

 

[BristolEcho]

What's happening on the ground now? I can still hear helicopters out but no reporting.

From what I can gather it's largely dispersed.

 

[Doctor Carrot]

That's bad... That's really fucking bad... How anyone can defend that is beyond me.

 

[existentialist]

That's bad... That's really fucking bad... How anyone can defend that is beyond me.

The trouble is, they rarely ever HAVE to defend it. Culture of impunity.

 

[Doctor Carrot]

The trouble is, they rarely ever HAVE to defend it. Culture of impunity.

I don't mean them I mean the sort of people who think this is good policing and so on.

I've read wall to wall comments of people on local media supporting the police in this. You're right though, they can get away with shooting a bloke in the back of the head so smashing a woman in the face with a shield is hardly gonna cause them any problems. It's the gratuitous nature and not giving a fuck it was all filmed tonight is what I find disturbing.

 

[DaveCinzano]

Police are generally pretty cagey about releasing their complete use-of-force manuals, but certainly edge strikes with the short shield is a taught technique (as illustrated in court cases related to injuries sustained by protesters - including miscarriage - at the 2011 G20 in London, and at the inquest into the killing of Ian Tomlinson at same).

The 2004 ACPO Public Order Standards Tactics & Training Manual has sections on use of shields.

Shield Tactics

Objectives

To provide protection from attack by missiles thereby enabling police officers to effectively contain, disperse or arrest members of a riotous crowd. Additionally for effecting entry into buildings or mounting staircases under hostile attack, overcoming violence or people suffering from Acute Behavioural Disturbance or recovering injured persons.

Methodology

The deployment of protective shields is now generally acknowledged by the public as being the normal response when disorder has reached unacceptable levels and police officers come under attack or are likely to come under attack from missiles. The shields currently in use fall into three categories - long, intermediate, and short.

Where persuasive attempts at peaceful resolution have failed then the command strategy should be directed towards making the crowd feel so insecure that they disperse. That is the object of all shield manoeuvres whether they are attempts to outflank or direct frontal offensives. When a feeling of insecurity erodes the will of the crowd the situation improves dramatically. (A good Commander is one who is sold neither on the slow defensive tactics of the long shield nor on the fast moving and constantly advancing shield line. They are Commanders who shrewdly combine the two.)

The effective development of shield formations depends on an understanding of three basic areas of activity.

Containment	Dispersal	Arrest
Containment is necessary:​ To prevent disorder in one area spreading to a number of other areas.​ To gain time and enable reserves to be mustered.​ To protect a vulnerable area.​ As a prelude to dispersal.​	Dispersal is necessary:​ To break the resistance of the crowd and to ensure that they leave the area.​ To give the police the initiative.​ To remove persons from the scene and/or effect arrests.​ To protect innocent persons caught behind the crowd lines.​ As the only real way to quell serious disorder.​	Arrests are necessary:​ To obtain evidence. To remove ‘ringleaders’.​ To increase crowd insecurity by eroding their morale.​ To reduce crowd- generated excitement and momentum.​

Long Shields

Long Shields tend to attract missiles and are generally deployed when missiles have already been thrown. They can be used for containment of riotous crowds and may allow police to slowly gain and hold ground. They may also be used for effecting entry into buildings or mounting staircases under hostile attack, overcoming violence or people suffering from Acute Behavioural Disturbance, and recovering injured persons.

Short Shields

Short Shields afford less protection but allow a fast fluid response by police, which enables the initiative to be taken away from the crowd. The shield is carried in one hand leaving a hand free to make an arrest or use a baton and its lightness does not quickly induce fatigue.

The Intermediate Shield

The Intermediate Shield is essentially a compromise between the more cumbersome long shield and the lighter short shield, which combines some of the attributes of both.

Integrated Shield Tactics

This enables the understanding of formations to be linked together to achieve an objective. These should also be practised until proficiency is achieved before moving to exercise training where additional pressures are added. The inclusion of Officers involved in Bronze/Silver and Gold Commander training would benefit from participating at this stage of the training.

A number of tactics are listed below although it is not a definitive list. The decisions as to which tactic to employ are made by the Silver/Bronze Commander based on the level of threat and topography of the area.

Frontal Assault
The threat is directly challenged by the most appropriate means, for example, barricade removal and running line(s) to disperse the crowd, thus achieving the tactical objectives.

Flanking Movement
As an alternative to a direct frontal assault on the barricade, police converge on one or both sides of the crowd as a softer target, again dispersing the crowd and establishing a safe route.

Pincer Movement
Police advance simultaneously against the two flanks and the front of the hostile crowd in this co-ordinated tactic, in order to drive the crowd back in one direction and thereby achieving their objective.

Attack Against Their Rear
Police advance against the rear of the crowd, to achieve dispersal and a clear route to the objective.

Tactical Withdrawal
Police withdraw seemingly as a sign of weakness to entice a hostile crowd to follow, thereby leading them away from their established position or drawing them into a position, which is advantageous to police. e.g. where they could be dispersed or arrested. This tactic may also be deployed due to officer safety requirements, to minimise the risks faced by officers.

Diversion
Something done to distract the attention of the crowd from the main police tactic (e.g. noisy display of police vehicles with lights and horns sounding behind police lines) whilst units advance to perform a pincer movement.

Feint
A mock assault, again to distract attention from the main police tactic.
Officers carrying short shields in a running line formation can effect arrests if required.

There are many methods of employing this tactic, one example is shown below where two officers responsible for making an arrest are protected by officers carrying shields.

Considerations

The characteristics of individual shields for each of the roles are detailed as follows:

	Containment	Dispersal	Arrest
Long Shields	Best suited to this role, provides a sturdy and effective protective screen.	Dependent on the type of formation in which deployed, has a limited dispersal role.	Most unlikely, unless the crowd are trapped by the tactical manoeuvres of a number of units.
Intermediate Shields	Depending on the shape of the shield there is a limited containment role. However, it is unlikely that it is supportable for any length of time.	Permits relatively good freedom of movement and provides good flexibility, although the weight of the shield is an important consideration when trying to achieve speed.	Possible with this shield, but the weight and size will limit this option.
Short Shields	Has no tactical use for containment.	Provides excellent fluidity and speed of movement.	Allows arrests to be made.

 

[DaveCinzano]

 

[Mr.Bishie]

Must be half a dozen journalists they've either arrested or assaulted this week

That’s a lot of compo to pay out.