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'Action bureaucracy' - slow TV from a different age

Wow, just completed Edge of Darkness. Most dark, eh?

A bit bloody weird too. But very gripping.

There's a lot of odd stuff in there - an off-kilter, but ultimately heart-rendering single-dad / daughter relationship; the tenderness at the heart of a ruthless cop, who cut his teeth grooming IRA informers. His technique for extracting confessions involves cultivating intimacy with his captive, to the extent of hand-holding and even kissing.

It has a very menacing, verging on psychedelic, aura to it. The main character himself seems to be both stoically focused, and completely unable to fully piece together what's going on around him (it has to do with the surreptitious acquisition of nuclear fuel).

9 puzzling bureaucratic points out of 10.
 
Wow, just completed Edge of Darkness. Most dark, eh?

A bit bloody weird too. But very gripping.

There's a lot of odd stuff in there - an off-kilter, but ultimately heart-rendering single-dad / daughter relationship; the tenderness at the heart of a ruthless cop, who cut his teeth grooming IRA informers. His technique for extracting confessions involves cultivating intimacy with his captive, to the extent of hand-holding and even kissing.

It has a very menacing, verging on psychedelic, aura to it. The main character himself seems to be both stoically focused, and completely unable to fully piece together what's going on around him (it has to do with the surreptitious acquisition of nuclear fuel).

9 puzzling bureaucratic points out of 10.
One of my very favourite things about it is how the characters enter our screen fully formed, but there is so little exploration of back-stories. The work has obviously been done, but to add depth to performances, not to show off. Similarly there is an impressionistic, sometimes pointillistic, approach to plot movement. Motivations are there, but there is by and large no tedious exposition. We learn things as Craven learns them, and often we learn them from his expressions not his words.

Of course there are some larger-than-life characters in it, but many of the cast are simply set back in relief, and help provide tonal richness, or else allude to past events, tying Emma's thread then with her father's now. And I so enjoy how other people have stories unfolding for them, but which are never - at all - explored. It's a writer confident in the truth of the story he is writing, who sacrifices other good ideas as background noise, incidental colour, narrative texture.

As you mention, the father-daughter stuff is some of the most evocative - for example, that scene in her room; his recurring memories of her; how banal little details cling to him (ratatouille in a tin).

And whilst there are limitations to some aspects of visually presenting some of the story convincingly, considering it was made at a time when television drama (even of the highest quality) was still dominated by a couple of people talking, at length, in a studio set, there are great bursts of on-location action, which punch the viewer in the gut with their viscerality and suddenness.

Words must also be had over the sound design and score, which at times remind me of Idi I Smotri in their power - recurring motifs, degenerating hearing, diegetic music, simplicity.
 
One of my very favourite things about it is how the characters enter our screen fully formed, but there is so little exploration of back-stories...
Great points.

The writing is particularly confident, and I really (like Craven I suppose) never fully knew where everything was leading. Like Bird of Prey with personal computing, it's interesting to see how the nuclear menace and corporate autonomy were looming large in the minds of people at the time.

The stillness that Robert Peck gives Craven, despite everything he's going through, really roots the series for me. He's clearly from the 'don't just do something - stand there!' school of acting.
Also the 1:1 aspect ratio, which I often find quite irritating adds a fantastic element of claustrophobia here.
 
The stillness that Robert Peck gives Craven, despite everything he's going through, really roots the series for me. He's clearly from the 'don't just do something - stand there!' school of acting.

Now you mention it, yes! And so much of the time when he speaks it's like he's got palsy his lips move so little, yet still he delivers lines with pathos and inflection. He's similarly self-contained as the Marine commander in An Ungentlemanly Act, (and, IIRC, as the somewhat repressed colonial policeman he played in Mau-Mau uprising drama The Kitchen Toto).

I think I'll have to revisit Natural Lies, which was an early 90s conspiracy thriller also starring Peck, sort of Edge Of Darkness remixed around themes of the post-BSE food industry. In turn it foreshadowed soon-to-be ubiquitous themes of big pharma and biotech (which themselves were key to early 00s EOD-indebted conspiracy thriller Fields Of Gold, penned by a pre-Top Boy Ronan Bennett and Graun editor Rusbridger).
 
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Now you mention it, yes! And so much of the time when he speaks it's like he's got palsy his lips move so little, yet still he delivers lines with pathos and inflection. He's similarly self-contained as the Marine commander in An Ungentlemanly Act, (and, IIRC, as the somewhat repressed colonial policeman he played in Mau-Mau uprising drama The Kitchen Toto).

I think I'll have to revisit Natural Lies, which was an early 90s conspiracy thriller also starring Peck, sort of Edge Of Darkness remixed around themes of the post-BSE food industry. In turn it foreshadowed soon-to-be ubiquitous themes of big pharma and biotech (which themselves were key to early 00s EOD-indebted conspiracy thriller Fields Of Gold, penned by a pre-Top Boy Ronan Bennett and Graun editor Rusbridger).
I'm getting some great recommended further viewing from you so far :thumbs:.
 
Anybody read The Honourable Schoolboy, which sits between Tinker, Tailor and Smiley's People in the Quest for Karla trilogy?

It's light on Smiley himself and switches focus to Jerry Westerby, who you might recall is the somewhat washed up soak who Smiley chats to in a bar as he tries to suss details towards the end of Tinker, Tailor.

It's an enjoyable stumble through Hong Kong, with Westerby as the barely-capable agent, turning the business into the personal, while hunting down dirty money linking China to Moscow.

A bit of a change of pace, and occasionally a bit colonial in its outlook, but well worth the ride.
This sets off my rage about the movie version of TTSS...

Firstly, the teaser trailer was awesome. It had a hazy, languid pace to it, which suited the material. But then you get to the movie and it's too conventional in its structure, and too consciously diverging from the 1979 TV version. Fair enough, you want some clear blue water to distinguish your take on the book from an earlier screen version, and yes, there are some great performances, and it is beautifully shot and staged.

But...

Changes made in the TV series are sometimes changed again, rather than going back to the source material to identify how best to abridge or compact the story, with the effect of creating more distance between film and book, not less; and also of creating internal story logic problems.

The producers of the TV series knew they would not be making THS - mainly for reasons of budget, but also because, I would imagine, the whole story is played out in a different key to both TTSS and SP, with a different focus, a different perspective, and a different purpose. By jettisoning the Hong Kong locales of the mid-trilogy interlude, it made more sense to relocate Ricki Tarr's episode, to remove a slightly jarring, distracting Asian aspect (which would have lent something of the James Bond globetrotting glamour to what is very much a drab and mottled and grey story) - hence in the BBC version we are in a particularly unsexy Lisbon. It makes sense, it's a crappy job, Tarr is under a cloud anyway, etc.

But the standalone TTSS movie - where there is neither the guarantee of another film, but also where there is, should a box office success lead into a franchise, a greater likelihood of actually utilising THS for a second picture - decides to reimagine the Tarr/Irina sequence in Istanbul. It's a lot more photogenic than the Lisbon of the 70s we saw in the series, yet is not narratively anchored to anything else.

Now, the TV series decided to keep Jerry Westerby (the protagonist of THS) in as one of the persons of interest whom George Smiley interviews in the early stages of his operation. It's a cameo, but it works not just as a way of introducing a character who would soon be integral to the overarching Karla story (in the book), but also to help demonstrate the spectrum of small bits of information which Smiley assembles in his pursuit of reconstructing what happened with Testify, and why (both book and TV series). It is both functional and textural.

The film, on the other hand, keeps Westerby's name, but essentially just gives it to Sam Collins. You could, charitably, consider it simply a case of folding together two minor characters in one for reasons of story-telling economy. But Collins and Westerby are completely different characters, who present Smiley with different threads on which to tug. And the movie Westerby does nothing that the book (or TV) Westerby does. By washing Collins out of the story as a character in his own right, the movie is laying landmines all over the shop for any efforts to film either THS or SP in the future, given how Westerby relates to the former, and Collins to the latter.

Then there is the translocation of Testify from Czechoslovakia to Hungary, for what seem arbitrary reasons. The film doesn't do anything particularly Hungarian with it, so why? Instead we undermine Le Carré's careful misdirection. Consider the untrustworthy taxi driver, and how he is used to mirror Toby Esterhase, and to sow seeds in the mind of the reader, and which the TV series also casually watered. And along with the too preeminent references to Smiley's cuckolding, it serves to unbalance the careful parade of suspects too soon.
 
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Online film catalogues are minuscule , it’s a perpetual gripe for me :(

I am however watching a few of the Kurosawa and Beat Takeshi films on the bfiplayer
People are often incredulous that I still invest in physical media, but that's why.
 
Now you mention it, yes! And so much of the time when he speaks it's like he's got palsy his lips move so little, yet still he delivers lines with pathos and inflection. He's similarly self-contained as the Marine commander in An Ungentlemanly Act, (and, IIRC, as the somewhat repressed colonial policeman he played in Mau-Mau uprising drama The Kitchen Toto).

I think I'll have to revisit Natural Lies, which was an early 90s conspiracy thriller also starring Peck, sort of Edge Of Darkness remixed around themes of the post-BSE food industry. In turn it foreshadowed soon-to-be ubiquitous themes of big pharma and biotech (which themselves were key to early 00s EOD-indebted conspiracy thriller Fields Of Gold, penned by a pre-Top Boy Ronan Bennett and Graun editor Rusbridger).

Liked him in an odd thriller, Centrepoint set in the 80s and 60s (iirc). Around the same time he was in a one off dark comedy with Miranda Richardson - After Pilkington.

Just started watching him in a so-so sci fi dystopian effort, Slipstream. Partly shot in Ireland, and it's got a great cast - Mark Hamill, Bill Paxton, Robbie Coltrane and Colin from Press Gang!
 
Just started watching him in a so-so sci fi dystopian effort, Slipstream. Partly shot in Ireland, and it's got a great cast - Mark Hamill, Bill Paxton, Robbie Coltrane and Colin from Press Gang!
That film had such potential, a shame it didn't come off as well as it should have :(
 
That film had such potential, a shame it didn't come off as well as it should have :(

Haven't finished it yet, but I'm not expecting a lost classic...

Back to action bureaucracy; would the original Alan Plater adaptation of A Very British Coup count? Found it very gripping when first broadcast - Ray McNally's finest telly role, probably.
 
Back to action bureaucracy; would the original Alan Plater adaptation of A Very British Coup count? Found it very gripping when first broadcast - Ray McNally's finest telly role, probably.
Good shout! Another worthy of a revisit. Thought about that miniseries a lot as Corbyn was giving Theresa May a run for her money.

Did anybody see Secret State (2012), (not In The Secret State 1985)? Apparently an alternative adaptation of the A Very British Coup novel.
 
This sets off my rage about the movie version of TTSS...
I was sorely disappointed by the movie version, but unfortunately I have a very poor recall of it for some reason. I even feel like I should watch it again just to remind myself what I didn't like about it, which is a bit of a grim prospect!

I read TTSS first, then watched the series, so it wasn't so much a who-dunnit, as a 'how deliciously are they going to unfold it' (answer - very deliciously).

I definitely missed the nuance about sowing Esterhase seeds via the taxi driver. And, yes, moving Testify to Hungary does sound like over-egging the cake a bit.
 
Good shout! Another worthy of a revisit. Thought about that miniseries a lot as Corbyn was giving Theresa May a run for her money.

Did anybody see Secret State (2012), (not In The Secret State 1985)? Apparently an alternative adaptation of the A Very British Coup novel.

Yeah. It was forgettable, whereas AVBC has stayed in my mind for over 30 years...
 
David Hare's Worricker Trilogy may be of interest (Page Eight, Turks & Caicos and Salting The Battlefield), if you are interested in Bill Nighy as a sort of HP Smiley. The second film veers uncomfortably into OFAH: Miami Twice territory, but overall you may be diverted by it.
 
David Hare's Worricker Trilogy may be of interest (Page Eight, Turks & Caicos and Salting The Battlefield), if you are interested in Bill Nighy as a sort of HP Smiley. The second film veers uncomfortably into OFAH: Miami Twice territory, but overall you may be diverted by it.
Personally, I'm very interested in Bill Nighy as a sort of HP Smiley. Intrigued.
 
Reilly: Ace Of Spies
My brother has just been in touch to recommend this in the warmest of terms - Script by the guy who wrote Edge of Darkness, Sam Neill stars as a turn of the century spy.

He mentions a point in Episode 2 where 'Reilly has a powerful conversation about imperialist racism with the Chinese chief of police, who is not invited to the Russian embassy ball. The Chinese chief of police is played, of course, by David Suchet in yellowface...'
 
My brother has just been in touch to recommend this in the warmest of terms - Script by the guy who wrote Edge of Darkness, Sam Neill stars as a turn of the century spy.

He mentions a point in Episode 2 where 'Reilly has a powerful conversation about imperialist racism with the Chinese chief of police, who is not invited to the Russian embassy ball. The Chinese chief of police is played, of course, by David Suchet in yellowface...'
That's pretty stunningly un-self-aware, yikes! :eek:
 
My brother has just been in touch to recommend this in the warmest of terms - Script by the guy who wrote Edge of Darkness, Sam Neill stars as a turn of the century spy.

He mentions a point in Episode 2 where 'Reilly has a powerful conversation about imperialist racism with the Chinese chief of police, who is not invited to the Russian embassy ball. The Chinese chief of police is played, of course, by David Suchet in yellowface...'
Though TBF that doesn't surprise me :(

(The 'there weren't any minority actors around' excuse doesn't really fly given things like Gangsters, which predates Reilly and was packed with people of various ethnicities.)
 
Though TBF that doesn't surprise me :(

(The 'there weren't any minority actors around' excuse doesn't really fly given things like Gangsters, which predates Reilly and was packed with people of various ethnicities.)
Yes, that and the 200 years or so of significant Chinese diaspora communities thriving in the UK :D (unless they were all really bad actors).
 
In the 80s it was still considered perfectly acceptable to cast caucasian actors as Asian characters. If it was an important part, then it was more of a priority to cast a well known actor rather than being authentic. It still was done till a few years ago, but when Emma Stone got cast as a biracial character in Aloha there was such a backlash that Hollywood won't do that any time soon again.
 
In the 80s it was still considered perfectly acceptable to cast caucasian actors as Asian characters. If it was an important part, then it was more of a priority to cast a well known actor rather than being authentic. It still was done till a few years ago, but when Emma Stone got cast as a biracial character in Aloha there was such a backlash that Hollywood won't do that any time soon again.
When you say it was perfectly acceptable, you might find you're excluding some people from your population norm. I doubt British Asian performers of the time found it acceptable.
 
When you say it was perfectly acceptable, you might find you're excluding some people from your population norm. I doubt British Asian performers of the time found it acceptable.
I meant, it was considered as acceptable by the people who made and cast films and tv productions. I don't think it ever was acceptable.
 
In the 80s it was still considered perfectly acceptable to cast caucasian actors as Asian characters. If it was an important part, then it was more of a priority to cast a well known actor rather than being authentic. It still was done till a few years ago, but when Emma Stone got cast as a biracial character in Aloha there was such a backlash that Hollywood won't do that any time soon again.
Suchet has form playing Asian characters, which he did well into the 90s. He’s not even Belgian either!
 
My son just watched Threads and was all 'wtf?', which brought me back to thinking about Edge of Darkness (broadcast the following year) and how the mushroom cloud looming over the horizon of people's consciousness back then informed the script and treatment. There's an awful lot of that Cold War apocalyptic theme running through it:

The sudden and unstoppable death of your children. People croaking gradually from radiation sickness. The sense of an older generation not listening to the warnings of their kids. US hands working quietly in the shadows. Plus, of course, an actual (improvised) nuclear bomb towards the end.

Helped me make a lot more sense of the writing.
 
If you want apparently nearly all bureaucracy and no action, creaking pace and truly appalling continuity then the estimable Talking Pictures are re-running the late-60s-early-70s series Special Branch in the very small hours - 3 or 4 am - at the moment. I only watch it to gawk at the horrible clothes and the period attitudes, honest.
 
If you want apparently nearly all bureaucracy and no action, creaking pace and truly appalling continuity then the estimable Talking Pictures are re-running the late-60s-early-70s series Special Branch in the very small hours - 3 or 4 am - at the moment. I only watch it to gawk at the horrible clothes and the period attitudes, honest.
It has plenty to commend it, tonally it's halfway between The Sandbaggers and The Sweeney, though lower energy than the latter.
 
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