A whole new level of stupidity introduced as heat denying influencers question validity of high temperatures

[editor]

No surprise to see that prize clown Neil Oliver piping up too:

As thermometers creep upwards, it has become harder and harder to deny the reality of the climate crisis. Some, however, are questioning whether temperatures are being measured properly in the first place.

In a tweet seen millions of times, the influencer Robin Monotti said in July that media outlets were repeating a report from the European Space Agency (ESA) that confused air temperature with ground temperature, which is generally higher.

The GB News presenter Neil Oliver took up the refrain later that month, claiming air temperatures in Europe were not as high as stated by the BBC and others, and had not risen above the 30s. He said the higher figures were ground temperatures which could not be compared with the standard measurement temperature.

Commentators have also repeatedly attacked the weather maps themselves, saying the colours have been changed to make them more alarmist. Monotti calls them “psychedelic coloured psyops”, while another Twitter user posted a heatwave map of Spain with the caption: “Now they have to colour the map as if we were in hell itself.”

It is true that the UK’s Met Office has changed the colour scheme of its temperature maps in recent years, and the more vivid colours are intended to make the maps easier for those with colour-blindness and generally simpler to interpret.

Heat denial: influencers question validity of high temperatures

Tweet viewed millions of times claimed ground temperature was being confused with air temperature

www.theguardian.com

 

[bcuster]

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[FridgeMagnet]

Iirc they actually had to introduce new colours on the Australian heat maps because there weren't enough to cover the temperatures. Needless to say they were at the upper end rather than the lower.

Ah yes Australia adds new colour to temperature maps as heat soars (and that was 2013 so they may have had to put more in since)

 

[bcuster]

talk about not seeing the forest for the trees...

 

[Raheem]

It's a plot by big ice cream.

 

[Storm Fox]

This really pisses me off, as anyone can go and get a thermometer and check for themselves. Literally, 'do your own research'.

With a lot of other conspiracy theories, you need specialist knowledge to prove the conspiracy theory is false. Even though most can be debunked through a logical analysis or different parts of the same theory being mutually incompatible.

E.g:
Nasa is extremely clever to cover everything up and have world-beating, unimaginably powerful CGI to sell the illusion.
Nasa are stupid, and they make very obvious mistakes, plus their CGI is glitchy.

But heatwaves can be proved by standing in the fucking shade with a fucking thermometer.

 

[Throbbing Angel]

It's a plot by big ice cream.

Mmmm. A big ice cream.

 

[moochedit]

It's a plot by big ice cream.

* goes off to do some research *

 

[SpookyFrank]

These people will soon be telling us it's all a lie and we're not up to our waists in seawater at all.

Although I do feel that by that point their schtick may not be quite as popular as it is now.

 

[Kevbad the Bad]

One potentially good thing that might come out of all this, is that these climate change deniers look increasingly isolated and bonkers. If they invest too much in climate change denial then their other nasty ideas may not get the support they would like.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

talk about not seeing the forest for the trees...

Can't see the wood for the fire.

 

[PR1Berske]

It smacks of both desperation and stubbornness, and I wonder how much of this is a schtick, such as those Brexit supporters who went off to live in the EU anyway.

There are only so many ways to show temperature on a map. Anybody who has done GCSE Maths will know there's only so many ways to colour a map without using the same colour twice. When Earth wasn't dying quite so much, a spectrum could show pale blue to warm orange without needing anything else. It should worry them, but not for the reasons they think, that the maps have had to find appropriate colours beyond bright red.

 

[WouldBe]

that the maps have had to find appropriate colours beyond bright red.

Flickering flame effect.

 

[rubbershoes]

But heatwaves can be proved by standing in the fucking shade with a fucking thermometer.

Or just going outside and realising it's bloody hot

 

[Storm Fox]

Or just going outside and realising it's bloody hot

or that

"BuT NiNeTeEn SeVeNtY-SiX wAs HoTtEr. "

 

[StoneRoad]

No surprise to see that prize clown Neil Oliver piping up too:

Heat denial: influencers question validity of high temperatures

Tweet viewed millions of times claimed ground temperature was being confused with air temperature

www.theguardian.com

As far as I know, the Met Office only accepts temperatures from those using the proper Stevenson Screen setups - the design and rules about siting said kit haven't changed ...
Therefore, current data has been recorded using kit & methods comparable to that used to record the past data.
Hence I consider that the records are what they say they are.

 

[Storm Fox]

As far as I know, the Met Office only accepts temperatures from those using the proper Stevenson Screen setups - the design and rules about siting said kit haven't changed ...
Therefore, current data has been recorded using kit & methods comparable to that used to record the past data.
Hence I consider that the records are what they say they are.

Then if a station has a record, the Met Office will come out to validate that the station is still within acceptable parameters before making it official.

It's almost like they are experts or something and know what they are doing.

I think 2hats can probably better summarise how records are confirmed.

 

[StoneRoad]

I think the Met Office have a long enough history to be experts and recording weather events. Not to mention standardising the equipment etc.
Do you - Storm Fox - know what a Stevenson Screen station is, and what you need to have for a Met Office recording station ?

Verification of any sort of record is an important part of the process - witness the palaver that it takes to get something into or updated with the Guinness Book of Records system.

 

[Storm Fox]

I think the Met Office have a long enough history to be experts and recording weather events. Not to mention standardising the equipment etc.
Do you - Storm Fox - know what a Stevenson Screen station is, and what you need to have for a Met Office recording station ?

Verification of any sort of record is an important part of the process - witness the palaver that it takes to get something into or updated with the Guinness Book of Records system.

My Garden currently



But it will never be a Met Office station as the site is too sheltered. The grass is too long the stand isn't official, the Screen needs repair. But the height above ground is correct and the door is North facing.

Weather stations. My location pretty much hits every 'Undesirable Site' listed in the linked webpage.

 

[2hats]

UKMO have a team who check the instrument calibrations at all the observing sites all the time, carry out inspections to QC observations at sites that report new records, and more extensively continually review observations as part of a process of validating and refining forecast model outputs. There are pages of WMO guidelines on this.

But it will never be a Met Office station as the site is too sheltered. The grass is too long the stand isn't official, the Screen needs repair. But the height above ground is correct and the door is North facing.

Could contribute to WOW though. UKMO have been investigating ways of capitalising on that and other crowd-sourced data*, QC and cleaning them in various statistical manners, with a view to assimilation with some short range, higher resolution forecast models, and verifying their outputs. Though individually ('citizen') owned sensors might not be calibrated and the precise circumstances of data collection not known, so isolated absolute readings obviously can't be relied upon, in significant numbers their indication of trends can be useful.

* For example, pressure readings from smartphones.

 

[newme]

Do these idiots actually have any ability to do anything or just morons ranting like you find everywhere about "pick your own topic"

 

[StoneRoad]

Do these idiots actually have any ability to do anything or just morons ranting like you find everywhere about "pick your own topic"

who do you mean ?

 

[StoneRoad]

My Garden currently

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But it will never be a Met Office station as the site is too sheltered. The grass is too long the stand isn't official, the Screen needs repair. But the height above ground is correct and the door is North facing.

Weather stations. My location pretty much hits every 'Undesirable Site' listed in the linked webpage.

I've got too many trees in and around my garden and I'm only a "couple of miles" from an official station to be able / worth it to set up even a basic station ...

But I did the 09:00 and 12:00 measurements on a fairly regular basis when I was in the sixth form [rather too many years ago] and made the telephone call reports as well.

I quite like the modern / electronic "weather stations" and plan to get a new one as a present to myself later in the year.

 

[gosub]

I think the Met Office have a long enough history to be experts and recording weather events. Not to mention standardising the equipment etc.
Do you - Storm Fox - know what a Stevenson Screen station is, and what you need to have for a Met Office recording station ?

Verification of any sort of record is an important part of the process - witness the palaver that it takes to get something into or updated with the Guinness Book of Records system.

It's not a proper record unless Roy Castle tap dances

 

[newme]

who to you mean ?

Article, hadn't read it lol it said tweet so figured it's some random mullets. Looks like it's gb news so not a lot of reach and not reputable.

Edit I meant muppets but I'm keeping it.

 

[Storm Fox]

UKMO have a team who check the instrument calibrations at all the observing sites all the time, carry out inspections to QC observations at sites that report new records, and more extensively continually review observations as part of a process of validating and refining forecast model outputs. There are pages of WMO guidelines on this.

Could contribute to WOW though. UKMO have been investigating ways of capitalising on that and other crowd-sourced data*, QC and cleaning them in various statistical manners, with a view to assimilation with some short range, higher resolution forecast models, and verifying their outputs. Though individually ('citizen') owned sensors might not be calibrated and the precise circumstances of data collection not known, so isolated absolute readings obviously can't be relied upon, in significant numbers their indication of trends can be useful.

* For example, pressure readings from smartphones.

I send data to Wunderground.

One example where citizen science can be interesting was seeing the pressure wave from the Hunga Tonga–Hunga Haʻapai eruption.

 

[NoXion]

The people engaged in this kind of denial are both evil and stupid. There has been far too much fuckyness going on with the weather and climate in this country over the last two decades for anyone to claim ignorance that something is seriously wrong. I've spent the last few days sweating and not sleeping properly, shit is fucked. If these cunts aren't being paid off by the fossil fuels industry, then I guess Captain Planet was right and there are people in this world who just want to fuck up the environment for shits and giggles.

 

[mojo pixy]

It goes to show (to paraphrase HL Mencken) there's no idea so stupid that someone, somewhere won't believe it.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

It goes to show (to paraphrase HL Mencken) there's no idea so stupid that someone, somewhere won't believe it.

It generally falls into two groups I think with some overlap.

1) those who don’t want their freedoms infringed upon so will search for alternative science to support that.

2) those who already believe in alternative science not wanting their freedoms to be infringed upon.

 

[mojo pixy]

I'd add a 3) people who just don't want to believe any official / expert / scientific explanation no matter what. If an expert said the sky is blue they'd argue the toss (inb4 blue doesn't exist)