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give over - believe it or not, I don't want to stab anyone. That was a hyperbolic expression of my irritation at the ex lib-dems who're now greens posting wide eyed bullshit like they did last last time. You don't figure in that number.

And...me.

And our Parliamentary candidates are the only non-white candidates round here.
and... you. that doesn't dilute the conspiracy theorists and nutcases that much.
 
give over - believe it or not, I don't want to stab anyone. That was a hyperbolic expression of my irritation at the ex lib-dems who're now greens posting wide eyed bullshit like they did last last time. You don't figure in that number..
tbf I think there are also a fair number voting Green because, rightly or wrongly, they think they are the most 'old labour' choice out of the main parties.
 
that doesn't dilute the conspiracy theorists and nutcases that much.

Until it finally took action against him in 2008, for a long time one of the most prominent activists in the Bristol Green Party was Tony Gosling (himself an occasional poster here)

http://www.unwelcomeguests.net/Tony_Gosling

http://another-green-world.blogspot.co.uk/2008/12/tony-gosling-suspended-from-bristol.html

https://greensengage.wordpress.com/2008/11/27/private-eye-spies-greens/

http://paulstott.typepad.com/911cul...sling-suspended-from-bristol-green-party.html
 
give over - believe it or not, I don't want to stab anyone. That was a hyperbolic expression of my irritation at the ex lib-dems who're now greens posting wide eyed bullshit like they did last last time. You don't figure in that number.

and... you. that doesn't dilute the conspiracy theorists and nutcases that much.
Still - disturbing to read, even accepting that I am more sensitive to that word than most.

All the Greens I've come into contact with round here are all ex-Labour, including myself. All sound people. No doubt there is a section of conspiraloons but I believe people like us massively outnumber them now.

tbf I think there are also a fair number voting Green because, rightly or wrongly, they think they are the most 'old labour' choice out of the main parties.
This.
 
Well that's great, they may be strikebreaker cunts but at least they're not white strikebreaking cunts.

You really think that's a reason to vote for them? Well at least you've managed to provide Blagsta with another reason why he shouldn't vote for the pricks.
They're not strikebreaking cunts - you're mistaking them for people who actually took that action.

Did I say it was a reason to vote for them? No I did not. Don't put words into my mouth. And save your aggressive attitude for people who deserve it.
 
Still - disturbing to read, even accepting that I am more sensitive to that word than most.
TBH I'd completely forgotten you were standing, so low key has your campaign been on fb (this is a good thing). I'd have chosen my words with more caution had I remembered - apols if it upset you.
 
They're not strikebreaking cunts - you're mistaking them for people who actually took that action.

Did I say it was a reason to vote for them? No I did not. Don't put words into my mouth. And save your aggressive attitude for people who deserve it.

Caroline Lucas was picking up rubbish herself during the strike :facepalm:
I voted for them last time around but I'm not this time and it's mostly down to that - they way they behaved here was fucking appalling and there is absolutely no justification for it.
 
Caroline Lucas was picking up rubbish herself during the strike :facepalm:
I voted for them last time around but I'm not this time and it's mostly down to that - they way they behaved here was fucking appalling and there is absolutely no justification for it.
Caroline Lucas is in Brighton. The south. We are in the North. We don't do shit like that here.

Fair point for you though if you are in that area. I'd feel the same.
 
Caroline Lucas was picking up rubbish herself during the strike :facepalm:
I voted for them last time around but I'm not this time and it's mostly down to that - they way they behaved here was fucking appalling and there is absolutely no justification for it.

I suspect there are a couple of councillors here who would do the same during a strike, plenty of labour would do so to though, tbf.
 
Caroline Lucas is in Brighton. The south. We are in the North. We don't do shit like that here.

Fair point for you though if you are in that area. I'd feel the same.

Sorry, I've reread and see that you weren't denying that it'd happened (!) just that the Greens up your way weren't involved - but yes, it is completely disheartening when a party that supposedly has a very strong theme of supporting low paid workers etc actively undermined their legal right to strike - and that coming from Caroline Lucas, in their flagship fucking seat :D who'd actually looked to be a pretty good Green in many other respects.
I just cannot square that behaviour with some of their party's major policies - it's unforgivable, they ought to feel proper shame over that - and even more so as there's just been a stream of denial and putting the blame elsewhere since, too.
 
No, I'm not, but I AM sure you're just about dying to tell me. So go on - spill.
I don't know if they did anything equivalent to what they did in brighton - though for many joining a coalition with the tories would itself be equivalent. I just thought it was a pretty relevant point to bring up in response to the brushing off of concerns about greens actions when in power on some parochial basis.
 
I don't know if they did anything equivalent to what they did in brighton - though for many joining a coalition with the tories would itself be equivalent. I just thought it was a pretty relevant point to bring up in response to the brushing off of concerns about greens actions when in power on some parochial basis.
I thought you knew something the way you posted. That's certainly what it seemed to suggest.

So they didn't, then? I can see why you did it, but...I found an article from 2008 while I was waiting which mentioned the lefties in the party were embarrassed by the coalition. Rightly so. Stunned me to read that. But as I mentioned above, from my knowledge/experience, a vast amount of the 'Green surge' counts socialists among the numbers. I think that might have an impact on future decisions about coalitions.
 
I thought you knew something the way you posted. That's certainly what it seemed to suggest.

So they didn't, then? I can see why you did it, but...I found an article from 2008 while I was waiting which mentioned the lefties in the party were embarrassed by the coalition. Rightly so. Stunned me to read that. But as I mentioned above, from my knowledge/experience, a vast amount of the 'Green surge' counts socialists among the numbers. I think that might have an impact on future decisions about coalitions.
I certainly didn't say they didn't do anything equivalent in terms of actions (beyond suggesting that forming the coalition itself would be equivalent for many - me included) to what the brighton greens did. But a quick google reveals that they did in fact support the tories (and lib-dems) through a period of violent cuts against the poorest and most vulnerable.

The justification offered by the party nationally at the time was that as a decentralised party they cannot dictate what local parties choose to do. I'm all in favour of decentralising decision making and participation around a core set of principles - but when those principles stretch to a cuts coalition with tories and lib-dems i wonder what the point is? The local parties justification was we're right to do this, fuck off.
 
I certainly didn't say they didn't do anything equivalent in terms of actions (beyond suggesting that forming the coalition itself would be equivalent for many - me included) to what the brighton greens did. But a quick google reveals that they did in fact support the tories (and lib-dems) through a period of violent cuts against the poorest and most vulnerable.

The justification offered by the party nationally at the time was that as a decentralised party they cannot dictate what local parties choose to do. I'm all in favour of decentralising decision making and participation around a core set of principles - but when those principles stretch to a cuts coalition with tories and lib-dems i wonder what the point is? The local parties justification was we're right to do this, fuck off.
Yes, from what I've read, they did that for two years, then pulled out. I've read that about Chris Rose now, so thanks for bringing it up. Shouldn't make such bold claims should I, in the bear pit? Not defending for a second a coalition which was part of making cuts, though as far as I can read no strikebreaking.

Guess I was speaking from my own perspective and that of the people I know, around me. All part of the learning process.
 
Caroline Lucas was picking up rubbish herself during the strike :facepalm:
picking up some shit from outside your house isn't strike breaking any more than walking to work when there's a bus strike on is. Had she been collecting commercial waste - the stuff council's actually make money on - then that would have been different. If you've got dirty nappies and needles outside your home, you'd be a feckin idiot not to pick them up.

She (and the other collectors) should have gone and dumped their collections on the town hall doorstep, but, even without that, it isnt scabbing. As, iirr, the local GMB agreed.
 
Will wait till ms starfish is home from work then we'll both go off & vote Green (Caroline Lucas). It's the only chance to have some Green representation & she'll side with Labour anyway in the event of a hung parliament.
 
picking up some shit from outside your house isn't strike breaking any more than walking to work when there's a bus strike on is. Had she been collecting commercial waste - the stuff council's actually make money on - then that would have been different. If you've got dirty nappies and needles outside your home, you'd be a feckin idiot not to pick them up.

She (and the other collectors) should have gone and dumped their collections on the town hall doorstep, but, even without that, it isnt scabbing. As, iirr, the local GMB agreed.

She wasn't collecting rubbish from outside her house.
 
Down the street. Same difference. It may not be the best way of supporting the strike, but it certainly isnt scabbing.
 
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