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We are going to kill you, not really, Yes we are, No we're not .. (Troy Davis)

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dylans said:
It means the US supreme court is still considering its decision. It could give the go ahead to execute in the next few minutes or hours or it could stay the execution. There is no end to the barbarity of this system.
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The 'like' button is badly named. Good post.
 
stream/my shitty internet connection keeps going down, came back to everybody cheering - for a moment it felt like they'd got their miracle:(

Delay to consider the case mentioned by democracynow according to twitter messages on the side of the stream but didn't hear that myself
Somebody must really enjoy fucking with him/them.

just heard somebody breaking down at the waste of money/resources by the USA because they want to kill people.:mad:
 
AnonymousIRC
Word is the Supreme Court gave a 7 day reprieve for the execution. He still can be executed within this week. DON'T YOU DARE. #TroyDavis
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Interesting.
 
The Ogre does what ogres can,​
Deeds quite impossible for Man,​
But one prize is beyond his reach:​
The Ogre cannot master Speech.​

About a subjugated plain,​
Among the desperate and slain,​
The Ogre stalks with hands on hips,​
While drivel gushes from his lips.​

W H Auden​
 
A case that reveals a lot of worrying aspects about the US criminal System



I have expressed my views here - "USA Hang Your Head In Shame"



It is not so much a debate about the death penalty but the fact that the punishment is carried out when there is so much doubt about his guilt.
7/9 witnesses have recanted and 3 jurors say they would have reached a different verdict if they knew then what they know now about the case.
 
If Troy Davis surname had been Kennedy, it would never have gone this far.

US justice is for people who have the money to pay for it. If you're black or Hispanic, forget it.

Now where's deluded microbe?
 
nino_savatte said:
If Troy Davis surname had been Kennedy, it would never have gone this far.

US justice is for people who have the money to pay for it. If you're black or Hispanic, forget it.

Now where's deluded microbe?
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I'm not sure the colour of the skin is relevant- the majority of those executed in the USA since 1976 are white
 
spen666 said:
I'm not sure the colour of the skin is relevant- the majority of those executed in the USA since 1976 are white
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Because there is a pattern of disparity between the application of the death penalty and race. This is not even disputed and is even accepted by the US Supreme Court. From Amnesty

a review of more than 400 homicide cases (in the Lousiana district court) reveals troubling disparities in application of the death penalty related to race. Between 1990 and 1995, the Orleans Parish District Attorney sought the death penalty in 32 out of 44 cases in which black defendants were charged with the murder of a white person. By comparison, the death penalty was requested in fewer than one-third of cases of blacks accused of murdering blacks and just more than one-fifth of cases involving white defendants and victims. In this period, only blacks were actually sentenced to death.
A similar pattern can be found nation-wide. Although blacks and whites are the victims of homicide in roughly equal numbers in the United States, more than 81 percent of the 500 people executed between 1977 and the end of 1998 were convicted of the murder of a white person. At present, roughly half of the more than 3500 people on death row are people of colour.
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In 1987, lawyers representing Georgia death row inmate Warren McCleskey took the issue of racism and the death penalty to the US Supreme Court. McClesky’s lawyers presented a rigorous statistical analysis of Georgia’s sentencing procedures. The study examined more than 2,000 murder cases. After accounting for some 200 variables such as the previous criminal record of the defendant, the study concluded that the odds of a death sentence in cases in which blacks killed whites were as much as 11 times higher than the capital murder of a black victim by a white person.
The Supreme Court accepted the validity of most of the study’s findings but ruled that “Apparent disparities in sentencing are an inevitable part of our criminal justice system.” In a 5-4 opinion written by Justice Lewis Powell, the majority maintained that statistical proof of bias in the sentencing process as a whole was not grounds to reverse an individual sentence. Nor did this statistical evidence invalidate the state’s sentencing procedures. Therefore, the Court ruled, the evidence presented in the appeal had failed to demonstrate that McCleskey, a black man found guilty of the murder of a white police officer, was treated injustly when he was condemned to death.
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http://www.amnesty.ca/usa/racism.php
 
I don't think it was a race thing, he had a majority black jury, and the crime killing a dibble is one all states take a particuarly dim view of. Its more the recanting oflarge parts of the evidence that put him away
 
gosub said:
I don't think it was a race thing, he had a majority black jury, and the crime killing a dibble is one all states take a particuarly dim view of. Its more the recanting oflarge parts of the evidence that put him away
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You can't make the judgement that race did or didn't play a role in this by looking at one single case. Rather you need to look at the justice system as a whole and the disproportionality in sentencing as a whole
 
I'm of the opinion that if you want and support judicial killing it should be by bread knife and it should be pushed slowly into the victims chest while staring into their eyes

Your name should be put in the computer along with every other capital punishment supporter and like jury service if your number comes up, you have to trot along to the prison meet the prisoner whom has been on death row longer than most murders in the uk spend in prison and complete the execution as described

It's murder, it's revenge and it's all done by proxy for you....sick society

And it's not exactly adhering to the fucking Christian values American keep bleating about (old testament accepted)
 
dylans said:
You can't make the judgement that race did or didn't play a role in this by looking at one single case. Rather you need to look at the justice system as a whole and the disproportionality in sentencing as a whole
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Justice is dished out on a case by case basis, and this case fails the JS Mills On lIberty test significantly.
Of course you may be right about the racial aspect, so presumably you can point me to statistically signifacnt number of caucasian dibble killers spared the death sentence, then I'll be in a position to make a judgement
 
Fedayn said:
You're gonna bore the poor fucker to death if you don't shut up, that's for certain.
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:D

BTW I have never linked a pic of a foetus before. On looking for what a 24 week foetus looked like, I was shocked mat how well developed it was, it was not my field of nursing, so had no idea. I could have posted some real horrors, but I only wanted to make the point that 24 weeks is, in my opinion, a wee bit far along the line for abortion on ' social ' grounds. It is certainly well beyond the ' clump of cells '.
 
silverfish said:
I'm of the opinion that if you want and support judicial killing it should be by bread knife and it should be pushed slowly into the victims chest while staring into their eyes

Your name should be put in the computer along with every other capital punishment supporter and like jury service if your number comes up, you have to trot along to the prison meet the prisoner whom has been on death row longer than most murders in the uk spend in prison and complete the execution as described

It's murder, it's revenge and it's all done by proxy for you....sick society

And it's not exactly adhering to the fucking Christian values American keep bleating about (old testament accepted)
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I've met a goodly number of soldiers who would do just that.
 
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