Urban v's the Commentariat

[ViolentPanda]

I could just say maladjusted malicious cunt who takes no responsibility for the evil shit he causes? Who also balances on the edge of a precipice of his own making?

Works for me!

 

[co-op]

all lines are twos stops from barking

It blatantly has to be the the right way up to counter centuries of sneering north-of-the-river arrogance

 

[ViolentPanda]

http://samambreen.wordpress.com/2014/01/30/for-my-fans-at-urban75/

How very mature.

 

[TruXta]

How very mature.

I'm disappointed, she said she wouldn't talk about us at all on her Twitter/blog.

 

[Crispy]

PD designed a board game already somewhere I think

As always, the brave leaders of the revolution are one step ahead of their followers

 

[ViolentPanda]

Yep. and the student ones, in my experience, appear to think that ageist abuse leveled against anyone over about 30 is perfectly acceptable, if not to be encouraged. Usually the same (always white) people who think referring to white people as crackers (I had to ask what that one meant) and honkies.

I'm afraid that any young white person calling me a honky would get short shrift, including a clip round the ear, and a request for them to go back to the 1960s and '70s.

I don't think anyone's really offended or threatened by this nonsense, its not as if middle aged white people are gonna become an oppressed group anytime soon and apart from anything else it usually comes from people for whom left politics is all about proving how much more wadical they are than everyone else, never got beyond the 'I won't eat my greens mum' stage of rebellion, and are impossible to take seriously. but its fucking annoying and, as the most vocal and visible part of the student left, can give the impression that serious progressives are like that too.

A couple of them called me a wacist for telling a fart joke the other day lol

I suppose I find it a bit harder to laugh about, if only because I've already seen how a preponderance of identity-based politics tore the arse out of left activism in the '80s. Where we used to all of us different folk come together as necessary, now it's mostly about a little grouplet doing this, and another little grouplet doing that, and never the fucking twain shall meet.
Left politics isn't "dead", as some idiots claim, but it has lost a lot of its previous cohesive force. Sometimes, in my darker moments, I wonder whether the turn to identity politics was engineered in some way.

 

[ViolentPanda]

No doubt there will be a talking head show on channel 4 in 15 years time with all these old intersectionalists nostalgically laughing at their antics...

...back before they sold their arses to the media and became rent-a-quote gobshites, rather than just gobshites.

 

[ViolentPanda]

You only think that cos you're a sexist out of touch white man though mate... oh, hang on
I got called an out of touch white man the other day as well. Amusing - not because of the comment itself, which I admit is probably the most accurate thing a student trendy has ever said - but because it came from someone with white skin and male gender who has no life experience whatsoever outside the student lefty bubble and dresses like a 1980s throw back, which clearly makes him an in touch black woman.

Were you able to restrain yourself from laughing in his face?

 

[ViolentPanda]

There's an idea - an intersectionalist tube-map.

Complete with re-naming of stations to nullify previous nominative oppressions. Hmmm:

Seven Sisters to Seven Solidaristic Feminists.
Theydon Bois to Theydon Grlls
Swiss Cottage to Swiss Encounter Venue.

Well, you get my drift...

 

[ViolentPanda]

I am supportive towards many of the expressed politics of Sam Ambreen. My main issue is that these politics are just a window dressing and that action, where taken seems to consist entirely of cunting off people on the internet. Add to that a complete refusal to actually discuss political issues, the constant lying about others and at best paraphrasing their opinions in order to further cunt them off and it's all a bit shit.

Where you're going wrong, my lad, is that you're thinking of politics as a method for bringing together collectivities "under a single banner", different but equal. For some of these folk, politics is about being the person who shouts loudest, and in search of increased volume, deploying every real or imagined oppression they've ever suffered, in order to silence other people who might be thinking of shouting. We're both of us old enough to have seen this all before, and it didn't end well last time - arguably, it gutted the UK left as a cohesive political force, and left us with a multiplicity of small in-fighting grouplets whose primary aim was securing their own future, rather than everyone's future.

 

[co-op]

As always, the brave leaders of the revolution are one step ahead of their followers

Are you accusing PD of vanguardism?

 

[treelover]

we don't have our own one, we have the one you couldn't make up.

Its very revealing and imo, identifies the elitist nature/source of this work that Professors/Academics are at the height of the oppression tree, what about bankers? , though I could see think tank wonks up there.

 

[rekil]

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The ultimate Priv-Off between two lefty titans from opposite sides of the pond. Vallejo's parents are communists and her dad was arrested 3 times in the coup. On top of the vast socioeconomic inequalities, Chile is notably poor for women's rights especially compared to the UK - high domestic violence rate, abortion is illegal etc. But stuff like that doesn't count here. I'm waiting on the result of a steward's enquiry before finishing this.

 

[co-op]

Temporary Autonomous Sloane

 

[fractionMan]

I think I could automate that

 

[fractionMan]

Would need a set of ordered lists for each axis of oppression. Very easy for age, might be tricky for things like classism.

 

[andysays]

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Laurie Penny - Standard Female Appearance?

Does her radical gender-breaking haircut mean nothing?

 

[TruXta]

Would need a set of ordered lists for each axis of oppression. Very easy for age, might be tricky for things like classism.

If people would be willing to chip in you could have them do a forced ranking on a set of items, which would give an ordered list.

 

[fractionMan]

If people would be willing to chip in you could have them do a forced ranking on a set of items, which would give an ordered list.

That'd be a fun thread

Be even easier if you could insert things into the ordered list on contestant creation. When you add someone to the database of contestants (e.g. Camila) with a new value (e.g. Irish Pirate), place the new value in the list in the correct place. Job done. Bit more up front work on the application though.

 

[rekil]

Laurie Penny - Standard Female Appearance?

Does her radical gender-breaking haircut mean nothing?

That's what's great about the game! The player's level of confidence in articulating oppressions is the difference between winning or losing.

 

[fractionMan]

That's what's great about the game! The player's level of confidence in articulating oppressions is the difference between winning or losing.

They could manage their fighter by manipulating the list of relative oppressions. It's the new MMORG stats layer on top of twitter.

 

[TruXta]

MMORG - Massive Multiplayer Oppression Resistance Game

 

[DaveCinzano]

Quantick has left the building!?

Well, it's not on Media Mass so it must be true

en.mediamass.net/people/david-quantick/deathhoax.html

 

[rekil]

They could manage their fighter by manipulating the list of relative oppressions. It's the new MMORG stats layer on top of twitter.

Players should be able to change one default value per game but only if the other player agrees or something.

You could ask for one tip per game as well. So a little paperclip thing would pop up with stuff like this.

 

[TruXta]

Players should be able to change one default value per game but only if the other player agrees or something.

You could ask for one tip per game as well. So a little paperclip thing would pop up with stuff like this.

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Tricky that - what's less privileged, Scouse or West Mids? Norn Irish or Glaswegian?

 

[belboid]

Tricky that - what's less privileged, Scouse or West Mids? Norn Irish or Glaswegian?

further north = less privileged (special rules for Durham & Edinburgh tho)

 

[TruXta]

further north = less privileged (special rules for Durham & Edinburgh tho)

Yebbut - accents on the same longitude?

 

[fractionMan]

It's sounding more and more like mornington crescent

 

[TopCat]

Where you're going wrong, my lad, is that you're thinking of politics as a method for bringing together collectivities "under a single banner", different but equal. For some of these folk, politics is about being the person who shouts loudest, and in search of increased volume, deploying every real or imagined oppression they've ever suffered, in order to silence other people who might be thinking of shouting. We're both of us old enough to have seen this all before, and it didn't end well last time - arguably, it gutted the UK left as a cohesive political force, and left us with a multiplicity of small in-fighting grouplets whose primary aim was securing their own future, rather than everyone's future.

What can be done to combat all this poop?

 

[belboid]

Yebbut - accents on the same longitude?

easterly = posher, i think. exeter v brighton, wolverhampton v peterborough....