Ukraine

[camouflage]

Odd thing is, you're bigging up humanitarian intervention here. You're a wee bit silly.

Actually I'm not. It's no great surprise to me that Russia is moving to secure its assets in Crimea. I posted a link to an interview that sez how I see it, here if any interest:
http://dissentradio.com/radio/14_03_03_oneill.mp3

Brendon Oneil is spot on afaic.

 

[butchersapron]

What's happened already is no surprise to you. Fantastic.

 

[Theisticle]

I respect his work but he's gone all 180 on the topic

 

[camouflage]

For the second time today you post that you don't know what's happening as a matter of pride. Clown. Literally and figuratively.

I have an strong idea what's happening as much as anyone scanning for information who isn't on a whistlestop tour of the Ukraine, the Kremlin, Downing Street and the Whitehouse right now. However tuis can rightly be described as my opinion, as is what you think you know. Difference is I've got time for any new information, even opinions I don't yet know what to think of yet. Whereas you an your gimp just like shooting folk down you fucking elitist. People should be able to come to a thread like this, say what they heard, say what they think, ask stupid or not stupid questions and be discuss with out the likes of you shooting down anyone who doesn't agree or doesn't claim to know everything. Im following the situation in Ukraine coz these are important events obviously (let's hope no one miscalculates). You seem to think the threads your club house.

 

[butchersapron]

I have an strong idea what's happening as much as anyone scanning for information who isn't on a whistlestop tour of the Ukraine, the Kremlin, Downing Street and the Whitehouse right now. However tuis can rightly be described as my opinion, as is what you think you know. Difference is 8ve got time for any new information whereas you an your gimp just like shooting folk down you fucking elitist. People should be able to come to a thread like this, say what they heard, say what they think, ask stupid or not stupid questions and be heard and hear without the likes of you shooting down anyone who doesn't agree or doesn't claim to know everything. Im following the situation in Ukraine coz these are important events obviously (let's hope no one miscalculates). You seem to think the threads your club house.

I'vee been posting info - hard info - for four months. You've been posting space cowboy shit. Stop wasting my time and follow up that info.

 

[J Ed]

I respect his work but he's gone all 180 on the topic

360, surely?

 

[camouflage]

I take it thats Juliet Bravo of the Thread Constabulary Special Patrol Group whos trying to lay down the law to you on what your opinion on Ukraine should be ? Is he telling you what TV channels youre allowed watch as well ?

Hell be kettling you next

Spot on. Curse touch-screen posting, you said what I couldn't be thumbed to.

 

[butchersapron]

360, surely?

Face plant surely?

 

[camouflage]

I'vee been posting info - hard info - for four months. You've been posting space cowboy shit. Stop wasting my time and follow up that info.

Whatever Jabba.

 

[RosyFuture]

You should also be worried by the the way that the Baltic states are flouting EU laws wrt their treatment of Russian-speaking minorities [. . .]

As we try to keep Ukipers wrapped up as best we can, please note there is no such thing as EU law - only EU policy enacted by individual state legislatures. Likewise there's no EU state, only a federation of states, some in currency union. Sovereignty, supreme rule, remains at all times with constituent states, who by their own legislation have decided to transfer some decision-making to a collective body such as the Council of Ministers, whilst all the time these non-state decisions never carry the force of law.

Just saying.

(Also noticed the other day the urban logo has the same red-above-black as the Bandera Org'n of Ukkiyian Nationalists. Again, just saying.)

 

[J Ed]

Actually I'm not. It's no great surprise to me that Russia is moving to secure its assets in Crimea. I posted a link to an interview that sez how I see it, here if any interest:
http://dissentradio.com/radio/14_03_03_oneill.mp3

Brendon Oneil is spot on afaic.

Brendan O'Neill, really?

 

[brogdale]

Sergei Markov (on C4 News) claiming snipers in Kiev were Blackwater!

 

[RosyFuture]

I respect his work but he's gone all 180 on the topic

Why do you say "180"? AS offers no comment even, let alone an evaluation, he just provides a link.

Also please note the article by J Hayda is wrong in saying, "Ukraine’s Chief Rabbi, Yaakov Bleich": UA, like Blighty, has no King of the Nation's Jews & Jewesses: any chief rabbi is only ever of a certain sect, never even of all observant Jews.

Facts, facts, & then facts again.

 

[Pickman's model]

Why do you say "180"? AS offers no comment even, let alone an evaluation, he just provides a link.

Also please note the article by J Hayda is wrong in saying, "Ukraine’s Chief Rabbi, Yaakov Bleich": UA, like Blighty, has no King of the Nation's Jews & Jewesses: any chief rabbi is only ever of a certain sect, never even of all observant Jews.

blighty does indeed have a chief rabbi as a quick google search reveals http://www.chiefrabbi.org/

while they may be like the archbishop of canterbury and thus of no relevance to anyone outside their denomination, they yet exist.

e2a: could you pls link to pages about any other chief rabbi within the uk. or within ukraine, for that matter.

 

[Pickman's model]

As we try to keep Ukipers wrapped up as best we can, please note there is no such thing as EU law - only EU policy enacted by individual state legislatures. Likewise there's no EU state, only a federation of states, some in currency union. Sovereignty, supreme rule, remains at all times with constituent states, who by their own legislation have decided to transfer some decision-making to a collective body such as the Council of Ministers, whilst all the time these non-state decisions never carry the force of law.

Just saying.

(Also noticed the other day the urban logo has the same red-above-black as the Bandera Org'n of Ukkiyian Nationalists. Again, just saying.)

perhaps you could give us a source for your claim about eu law. or is it only your opinion?

 

[camouflage]

What's happened already is no surprise to you. Fantastic.

Yes, it really is no surprise that after a few years now and five billion dollars worth of spend polarizing Ukraines evidently somewhat delicate political culture, the place has gone pop, the rules have been flung out the window, feral political movements are running around with slogans of romantic-fascism (the economics to come would be all neo-lib I'm sure) and Putin has been pretty clear about where he stands all along. If anything it's surprising and rather worrying that the leadership in the West is acting all surprised and outraged. One would have thought they had expected all this. For fucks sake if you will fuck about at least expect the shit to come of it.

Poke-bear, Poke-bear, Poke bear- oh! It swiped at me using its massive claw.

We know what big powers are like. Furthermore after the things the regime in Kiev were putting out it's no surprise that autonomous republic Crimea seems to have thought "hang on, what's going on here, don't like Russian speakers? But I'm mostly Russian speakers... not sure about this, Oy, Russia- step over here for a bit will ya?" Big fucking surprise really, even if that last bit has been garnished by the Rus themselves.

I don't feel the Russians are threatening at all because they've been entirely predictable all along, they're not the ones having wild adventures in other peoples politics in lands far far away from their borders all this time, we know who plays that game these days.

 

[ViolentPanda]

It leaves you, sometimes by text message.

To an exploding mobile phone.

 

[lazyhack]

Shekhovtsov's change is astonishing - from sounding the alarm over the rise of the far-right in Ukraine to circulating a farcical statement playing down their role - signed by nationalists and a handful of decent researchers.

Other academics who refused to sign have been ostracised for their principled stand. The World Jewish Congress came out against Svoboda last year, has something significant changed in the nature of this party since then?

 

[co-op]

This is a better piece - not perfect of course, but look at the links not the funding - about the russian media and rt in particular - and throws some light on the 'middle aged woman' stuff linked to above that i didn't get.

Radio Free Europe? Seriously? These people are even less credible than RT. And they're just slagging off the Russian media for doing exactly what the western version is doing...

This is like your Buzzfeed link earlier - what's the point you're making here?

 

[ViolentPanda]

Actually I'm not. It's no great surprise to me that Russia is moving to secure its assets in Crimea. I posted a link to an interview that sez how I see it, here if any interest:
http://dissentradio.com/radio/14_03_03_oneill.mp3

Brendon Oneil is spot on afaic.

Brendan O'Neill also has form as long as a stallion's erect cock for spinning stories to say what Brendan wants them to say. Comes from being a former member of the RCP. If Brendan says "red", it makes me think "green", frankly.

 

[butchersapron]

Radio Free Europe? Seriously? These people are even less credible than RT. And they're just slagging off the Russian media for doing exactly what the western version is doing...

This is like your Buzzfeed link earlier - what's the point you're making here?

The point i made in the post. And you seemed to miss me explaining what buzfeed were doing and instead opted to again think that me/them are making a point that the western media is peachy clean. I mean what's the point that you're making in response - that it isn't? That it is? That i think it is? That rt is trustworthy? What?

 

[ViolentPanda]

Whatever Jabba.

Oh dear, you've got Ibn Khaldoun liking your posts. Usually a "kiss of death" for getting taken seriously.

 

[Dan U]

Turkey give permission for the US ships to enter the black Sea apparently.

 

[ViolentPanda]

As we try to keep Ukipers wrapped up as best we can, please note there is no such thing as EU law - only EU policy enacted by individual state legislatures. Likewise there's no EU state, only a federation of states, some in currency union. Sovereignty, supreme rule, remains at all times with constituent states, who by their own legislation have decided to transfer some decision-making to a collective body such as the Council of Ministers, whilst all the time these non-state decisions never carry the force of law.

Just saying.

(Also noticed the other day the urban logo has the same red-above-black as the Bandera Org'n of Ukkiyian Nationalists. Again, just saying.)

The Banderists have the same red-over-black as some Anarcho-Communists had a century ago, the evil polluting right-wing shit-sticks!

 

[Eastern-Odyssey]

Shekhovtsov's change is astonishing - from sounding the alarm over the rise of the far-right in Ukraine to circulating a farcical statement playing down their role - signed by nationalists and a handful of decent researchers.

Other academics who refused to sign have been ostracised for their principled stand. The World Jewish Congress came out against Svoboda last year, has something significant changed in the nature of this party since then?

Covered Shekhovtsov a few posts back, he used to be a Eurasionist from Crimea and I assume he had some big fulling out with Dugin before buddying up with Yushchenko. I explains why he seems to Dugin and some Russian/Eurasionist conspiracy as the cause of everything.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Why do you say "180"? AS offers no comment even, let alone an evaluation, he just provides a link.

Also please note the article by J Hayda is wrong in saying, "Ukraine’s Chief Rabbi, Yaakov Bleich": UA, like Blighty, has no King of the Nation's Jews & Jewesses: any chief rabbi is only ever of a certain sect, never even of all observant Jews.

Facts, facts, & then facts again.

Hmmm, the Chief Rabbi in the UK may be merely the Chief Rabbi of a sect, but for the last 200 years, he's been taken, in custom, as "speaking for" all of the UK's adherents of Judaism - a "fact on the ground" eventually acknowledged by the place given the Chief Rabbi in the House of Lords.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

As we try to keep Ukipers wrapped up as best we can, please note there is no such thing as EU law - only EU policy enacted by individual state legislatures. Likewise there's no EU state, only a federation of states, some in currency union. Sovereignty, supreme rule, remains at all times with constituent states, who by their own legislation have decided to transfer some decision-making to a collective body such as the Council of Ministers, whilst all the time these non-state decisions never carry the force of law.

Just saying.

(Also noticed the other day the urban logo has the same red-above-black as the Bandera Org'n of Ukkiyian Nationalists. Again, just saying.)

Yes, and no. If you are signed up to the European Convention on Human Rights, then you are then agreeing to be bound by decisions by the European Court of Human Rights. Of course, then the question comes 'what if a member state refuses to abide by an EU decision'. And the answer can be 'not much'. It's a weakness of the EU, which allows certain states to be in breach of EU rules with no sanctions forthcoming. Expansion eastwards has tested the EU in these areas and it has come up wanting.

 

[camouflage]

Brendan O'Neill also has form as long as a stallion's erect cock for spinning stories to say what Brendan wants them to say. Comes from being a former member of the RCP. If Brendan says "red", it makes me think "green", frankly.

Not saying I know much about Brendon O, I merely found my own opinions hanging out in that interview. Besides what you describe above describes all of the posters in this thread. Probably a cognition effect.

 

[Pickman's model]

Not saying I know much about Brendon O, I merely found my own opinions hanging out in that interview. Besides what you describe above describes all of the posters in this thread.

hanging out like guts through a chop in the midriff?

 

[co-op]

The point i made in the post. And you seemed to miss me explaining what buzfeed were doing and instead opted to again think that me/them are making a point that the western media is peachy clean. I mean what's the point that you're making in response - that it isn't? That it is? That i think it is? That rt is trustworthy? What?

You said that the Buzzfeed stuff showed that RT is crudely propagandist - and the western media is much subtler. But on Ukraine the western media have been pretty crassly unanimous that western interests dictate positive coverage of the euromaidan and that's all we've had so I think that's wrong.

The point I'm making is that it's pretty odd to be slagging off RT by citing really thin Buzzfeed pages and Radio Free Europe of all people. What actually is your point? I can't work it out - you normally link to intelligent stuff not this kind of junk.