The 'Naked Rambler' jailed for 22 months, following arrest within 60 seconds of his release!

[joustmaster]

Why are those norms thus? Why haven't they changed over the last several thousand years? Why should they change now because a handful of fruitcakes say so?

even over the last 100 years, attitudes to nudity have changed, a lot.
and some of our closest neighbouring countries have very different approaches to being naked.

 

[DotCommunist]

i recon the taboo against having ones genitals on display is cos the femoral artery is so close to the area- hence 'gird your loins'

/science

 

[Jeff Robinson]

But they rarely break the law. He has been jailed for contempt and for breaking social orders.

There's a reason that this guy is considered by many to be a freak and that's because as you mentioned, he's bucking against millenia of universal social norms.

Why are those norms thus? Why haven't they changed over the last several thousand years? Why should they change now because a handful of fruitcakes say so?

Obviously he's breaking the law, but the debate here is whether his conduct should have been criminalised in the first place.

The taboo against public nudity is not a universally observed, and at any rate the pervasiveness of a norm is not a justification of it. I have nothing against people contesting and challenging the repression of public nudity, but I think the uncompromising way the naked rambler has gone about doing so is wrong and counterproductive. Nevertheless I think it falls short of conduct worthy of criminalisation.

 

[Teaboy]

I've seen a news report where a trans woman was actually ASBOed to stay away from schools even though she lived next to one because her skirts were deemed too short.

I'm going to come back to this because I'm utterly astonished. There was a adult male dressing up as a schoolgirl and hanging around the school gates even though he had no kid at the school. You don't think parents should be concerned about that and raise their concerns? You have to be kidding me.

 

[Orang Utan]

Do you have to use words like freak, Spymaster ?

 

[comrade spurski]

naturism surely!

Probably ... I am not sure of the correct term

 

[Citizen66]

that quote doesn't sit right, with me.

In what way? It's like a rave. Having a gathering with loud music is acceptable in some circumstances but anti social in another. Do you think naturism should be free of such nuances?

 

[Citizen66]

All those coming out in defense of him: how do you suppose a victim of male sexual violence might feel about a naked man plonking himself next to them on a bus?

Nobody has answered this yet. Maybe you can give it a crack, joustmaster

 

[joustmaster]

In what way? It's like a rave. Having a gathering with loud music is acceptable in some circumstances but anti social in another. Do you think naturism should be free of such nuances?

yes.

 

[Sea Star]

I'm going to come back to this because I'm utterly astonished. There was a adult male dressing up as a schoolgirl and hanging around the school gates even though he had no kid at the school. You don't think parents should be concerned about that and raise their concerns? You have to be kidding me.

When this happened I was crossdressing regularly and having to pass a school that was half a block from me. The reports I read about this said she was in her own front garden when the complaints that led to the original ASBO were made.

So yes! I had reason to be concerned about this!!

I'd at that point been threatened by Flickr management about putting pics of me dressed as a woman on my account because some users thought their children would be corrupted! That is seriously what they told me. Slippery slope, that's all I'm saying. We have to be careful about who we decide to criminalise and why!

 

[Teaboy]

yes.

I put this scenario to you before on this very thread but I once reported a man with no clothes on hiding in the bushes next to a primary school at playtime. Following your logic means I was wrong to do so.

 

[Sea Star]

Well yes, context. Not just a trans woman as such, he / she was dressing as a schoolgirl and hung around school gates when he had no obvious reason for being there, thats a bit different then a woman walking past a school with a short skirt and besides the law came down on his side (with regard to jail) eventually.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-12345390

try harder with your pronouns!

Will you be referring to me as he/ she next?

 

[Teaboy]

When this happened I was crossdressing regularly and having to pass a school that was half a block from me. The reports I read about this said she was in her own front garden when the complaints that led to the original ASBO were made.

So yes! I had reason to be concerned about this!!

Well, exactly context and nuances. If a cross-dresser was getting grief simply because they walked past a school in a short skirt then that would clearly be wrong and I suspect everyone on this thread would agree with me. But clearly a adult male dressed as a schoolgirl hanging around the school gates warrants attention from the authorities.

Its like this sad case, there are literally thousands of miles of this country he could wander around with his shrivelled pecker on display and no one would give a shit, but thats not his bag he seeks out confrontation which he finds and then loses. Its a massive waste of time and money but mostly a life.

 

[Teaboy]

try harder with your pronouns!

Will you be referring to me as he/ she next?

There was nothing in either article to suggest how they identify themselves, tbh how anyone wants to identfy themselves is really up them.

 

[Spymaster]

yes.

So you reckon it's ok for some geezer to cruise through a crowd of kids with his cock out?

There's probably an argument for keeping him banged up for his own safety too. I can think of several areas where he'd likely end up lynched or with a rottweiler swinging from his nutsack if he pulled that shit again.

 

[Sea Star]

try harder with your pronouns!

There was nothing in either article to suggest how they identify themselves, tbh how anyone wants to identfy themselves is really up them.

if someone identifies as female and dresses as a female then I think its fair to use female pronouns until you get better information.

 

[Spymaster]

Do you have to use words like freak, Spymaster ?

Fair do's.

Apologies.

 

[Teaboy]

if someone identifies as female and dresses as a female then I think its fair to use female pronouns until you get better information.

Sure, as I say I have no information on how he identifies and similarly no info on whether this is an everyday thing or just on some days. The only cross dresser I know is a high-flying business man who is always male accept on Thursday evenings when he is female.

TBH though with the cross dresser dressing as a school girl I'm more concerned with his behaviour then the niceties on how he would like to be addressed and on which day. Also you using it as an example on this thread when in fact it was a good example of why laws around clothing (or lack of) are useful.

 

[Spymaster]

This thread needs Casually Red back.

 

[krtek a houby]

that quote doesn't sit right, with me.

Mm. Smacks of "if you don't like it, leave the country" sort of guff.

 

[treelover]

Apologies if it hasn't been mentioned, but apparently the N/R has spent a total of seven years in prison, much of it in solitary


all I can say is 'fucking crazy'.

 

[Teaboy]

This thread needs Casually Red back.

I suspect that is the first time that statement has ever been made.

 

[Teaboy]

Apologies if it hasn't been mentioned, but apparently the N/R has spent a total of seven years in prison, much of it in solitary


all I can say is 'fucking crazy'.

Well yes, but perhaps your phrasing is a bit insensitive.

 

[Citizen66]

Mm. Smacks of "if you don't like it, leave the country" sort of guff.

Serious question. A couple of heroin addicts set up camp on your doorstep. Cool, yeah?

 

[krtek a houby]

So you reckon it's ok for some geezer to cruise through a crowd of kids with his cock out?

There's probably an argument for keeping him banged up for his own safety too. I can think of several areas where he'd likely end up lynched or with a rottweiler swinging from his nutsack if he pulled that shit again.

That "cruise" comment reads wrong, too

 

[krtek a houby]

Serious question. A couple of heroin addicts set up camp on your doorstep. Cool, yeah?

Serious answer; this guy is not an addict or a danger to anyone.

 

[Teaboy]

Serious answer; this guy is not an addict or a danger to anyone.

Why is an addict a problem? Are they suddenly a danger because they are an addict?

 

[Citizen66]

Serious answer; this guy is not an addict or a danger to anyone.

Addicts are only a danger to themselves. So if it's fine to walk about bollock naked wherever we like it should be fine to shoot up wherever we please too. Yeah?

 

[treelover]

Well yes, but perhaps your phrasing is a bit insensitive.

Yeah, can see that maybe

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Addicts are only a danger to themselves. So if it's fine to walk about bollock naked wherever we like it should be fine to shoot up wherever we please too. Yeah?

A few different issues there. The thing about shooting up in public is that it would lead to needles being left lying around that could pose threats to other members of the public. The prohibition of certain drug consumption is often justified on the basis that addictions can lead to crimes and other forms of anti-social behaviour that threaten others. Naked rambling, in and of itself, does not lead to any such harms. Its merely the act itself that causes offence.