Thatcher Dead Party 6pm Saturday 13 April Trafalgar Sq

[laptop]

Excuse my nativity in these situations but why kettle. Don't they just end up with everyone stuck there even longer.

I'm planning to re-read On The Psychology of Military Incompetence in the next couple of weeks: will get back to you

 

[Mr.Bishie]

Seems like overkill, kettling a crowd of 300 people.

You don't know the MET like we do Johnny.

 

[Mr.Bishie]

Can they legally do that? I mean, what's the legal basis?

The kettling of kids on Westminster Bridge during the student protests went to the High Court, as an unlawful practice/human rights. The HC threw it out.

 

[Callie]

Can they legally do that? I mean, what's the legal basis?

errr its the police. they do what the fuck they like

 

[jack byworth]

Hi all, I just got back from the party, I left an hour ago just got home.

It was a fantastic atmosphere, NO VIOLENCE AT ALL. Great bunchg of people and one in a lifetime experience.

Police where a bit intimidating, but seemed fair, except taking away some musical equiptment and amps away, that was a bit unfair!!!.

great gathering, I think we have proved we can protest in peace, and I am VERY dissapointed to find this is not on bbc news or sky news, WHY WHY WHY??????

Propaganda perhaps........

One thing is for sure, Nobody likes David cameron ....................... Not one person.

 

[Boru]

The occupy feed now seems to be doing an advert every 15 mins.. Occupy the media..maybe later

Edit.. its back and police everywhere!

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

I can't find a working webcam that shows Trafalgar Square.

 

[Mr.Bishie]

@julesmattsson
Crowds rapidly thinning out in Trafalgar Square, seems the end is nigh as it were

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

Hi all, I just got back from the party, I left an hour ago just got home.

It was a fantastic atmosphere, NO VIOLENCE AT ALL. Great bunchg of people and one in a lifetime experience.

Police where a bit intimidating, but seemed fair, except taking away some musical equiptment and amps away, that was a bit unfair!!!.

great gathering, I think we have proved we can protest in peace, and I am VERY dissapointed to find this is not on bbc news or sky news, WHY WHY WHY??????

Propaganda perhaps........

One thing is for sure, Nobody likes David cameron ....................... Not one person.

You'll find no mention of the bedroom tax protests (I know Trafalgar Square wasn't a protest) on the news either until the protests are over. News don't want to publicise these events as more people will turn up

 

[Paulie]

I can't find a working webcam that shows Trafalgar Square.

http://www.camscape.com/view/459

or

http://en.glaz.tv/online-webcams/trafalgar-square

 

[8115]

The kettling of kids on Westminster Bridge during the student protests went to the High Court, as an unlawful practice. The HC threw it out.

Yeah, I just looked and it isn't seen as contrary to human rights. But, I thought that police need a basis for doing something, like if they arrest someone, or search them, or whatever, they need a suspicion of something.

So don't they need (say) reasonable suspicion of potential disorder to kettle, for public order?

 

[Mr.Bishie]

Well done the man who brought an actual decapitated pig's head to Trafalgar Square. You really are living in the moment.

 

[weepiper]

Brian Whelan ‏@brianwhelanhack
4m
Confirmation from three sources of Milwall attack on anarchists in Whitehall pub.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

http://www.camscape.com/view/459

or

http://en.glaz.tv/online-webcams/trafalgar-square

Thanks; but I can't view it. Maybe it's my computer.

 

[Mr.Bishie]

Yeah, I just looked and it isn't seen as contrary to human rights. But, I thought that police need a basis for doing something, like if they arrest someone, or search them, or whatever, they need a suspicion of something.

So don't they need (say) reasonable suspicion of potential disorder to kettle, for public order?

As Callie said, they do what the fuck they want at the end of the day.

 

[Firky]

Excuse my nativity in these situations but why kettle. Don't they just end up with everyone stuck there even longer.

They start off boxing people in, then tightening the box further and further until people are so cramped together they're shoulder to shoulder. If the contained try to push back, the police will hit their elbows, arms, knees and other painful target areas. The police will also snatch someone out of the box who's taking photos or kicking off at being being kettled. IIRC the first instances of ketteling were used by the Germans in ghetto clearances - they'd section groups of Jews off, contain them before putting them on a train / lorry and to the camps. It was easier to control and subdue people in smaller groups - think of it like holding back a couple of cats instead of a dozen, with enough man power you can easily control all the cats.

 

[Kanda]

Excuse my nativity in these situations but why kettle. Don't they just end up with everyone stuck there even longer.

It's not Christmas luv!

 

[ddraig]

Yeah, I just looked and it isn't seen as contrary to human rights. But, I thought that police need a basis for doing something, like if they arrest someone, or search them, or whatever, they need a suspicion of something.

So don't they need (say) reasonable suspicion of potential disorder to kettle, for public order?

it is just what they do
like making up shit when they pull you over, same thing, they lie, what are you going to do...

 

[Wilf]

Brian Whelan ‏@brianwhelanhack
4m
Confirmation from three sources of Milwall attack on anarchists in Whitehall pub.

There's my answer.

 

[maomao]

think of it like holding back a couple of cats instead of a dozen, with enough man power you can easily control all the cats.

If there's one animal on this planet that would be immune to kettling it's the domestic cat.

 

[punchdrunkme]

They start off boxing people in, then tightening the box further and further until people are so cramped together they're shoulder to shoulder. If the contained try to push back, the police will hit their elbows, arms, knees and other painful target areas. The police will also snatch someone out of the box who's taking photos or kicking off at being being kettled. IIRC the first instances of ketteling were used by the Germans in ghetto clearances - they'd section groups of Jews off, contain them before putting them on a train / lorry and to the camps. It was easier to control and subdue people in smaller groups - think of it like holding back a couple of cats instead of a dozen, with enough man power you can easily control all the cats.

Well put

 

[laptop]

Phone call from in the square: "It's kicking off".

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

They start off boxing people in, then tightening the box further and further until people are so cramped together they're shoulder to shoulder. If the contained try to push back, the police will hit their elbows, arms, knees and other painful target areas. The police will also snatch someone out of the box who's taking photos or kicking off at being being kettled. IIRC the first instances of ketteling were used by the Germans in ghetto clearances - they'd section groups of Jews off, contain them before putting them on a train / lorry and to the camps. It was easier to control and subdue people in smaller groups - think of it like holding back a couple of cats instead of a dozen, with enough man power you can easily control all the cats.

I didn't know they kettled Jews. You wouldn't think that sort of crowd control would be necessary when they have truck mounted machine guns pointed at the crowd, and the cops/soldiers are actually eager to use them.

The ghetto clearances were usually pretty orderly affairs, because most Jews believed that, since they were good citizens, if they obeyed the orders given, everything would turn out ok.

 

[Firky]

Kettling saps the spirit of the protesters and leaves them cold, wet, tired and hungry so all they want to do is go home. It's an extremely dodgy ad legally dubious practice IMO.

The British police are very fond of ketteling, they use it more than any other western police force. Don't quote me on that!

E2A: Looking at wiki I maybe right

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

There's my answer.

Someone on Twitter reckons it's the Lord Moon of the Mall

 

[kittyP]

It's not Christmas luv!

Ooop

 

[weepiper]

@policemonitor: Police now demonstrating the "wade in & make it kick off" tactic. Not sure if its best practice. pic.twitter.com/quDBaqDAJF”

 

[Wilf]

Someone on Twitter reckons it's the Lord Moon of the Mall

Fuck. Stay safe folks.

 

[Mr.Bishie]

@julesmattsson
Crowd thinned out a lot but still a determined and lively core of a few hundred left in TS

 

[Mr.Bishie]

@PaulLewis
Crowd encircle alleged 'fascist', chanting 'go home'. He lashes out, says 'come on then' and then is swiftly arrested