One_Stop_Shop
Well-Known Member
Why what has gone on now?
SWP expulsions and squabbles
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Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
Nothing new. Just a general comment flowing from this whole thing.
One_Stop_Shop
Well-Known Member
Talking of open facebook posts. Here are some of the comments from Steve Hedley. Deputy General Secretary RMT, Socialist Party member and self-proclaimed anti-sexist. All directed at a young woman.
bolshiebhoy
socialism leinster drink
Jesus wept and people say the swp has problems! What a dick.
bolshiebhoy
socialism leinster drink
Actually that does explain two things in the Prof's review I hadn't really understood when I read it.
One is this "Neil offers Political Marxists a huge hostage to fortune when he endorses Marcel van der Linden’s proposal to submerge wage workers in the much broader category of 'subaltern workers'." Clearly relevant to the current debates about the working class as agent of change.
And the other on permanent revolution where he chastises Neil for having too rigid a line between political and social revolutions: " Neil’s unwillingness to see the potential for permanent revolution that may be present in political upheavals in capitalist states ". Again you can see how this could lead to the Counterfire stuff about political upheavels taking precedence over economic ones.
I'd love an excuse not to read the rest of Davidson's excellent book. Got it yesterday in the post as there's no digital version and the bloody print is tiny even with my old man's glasses on.
bolshiebhoy
socialism leinster drink
One thing about Seymour's reply to the cc. His tone really is that of someone who knows he's not going to be around in the party long.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Perhaps you could explain how those comments, unpleasant though they are, compare to a senior swp member allegedly raping a woman and then apparently attempting to cover it up through a kangaroo court?
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
A dick, yes.
But this separate instance of misogyny from the 'left' does nothing to diminish the problems that the SWP have evidently created for themselves wrt 'Delta'.
articul8
Dishonest sociopath
Not going to go into it on here, but there's far worse allegations than that being made about him on FBook re behaviour to a young woman.
already mentioned further up the thread
One_Stop_Shop
Well-Known Member
Agree that the allegations are far worse.
But these comments are on a thread that is either open or accessible by well over 1000 people, many of who are left activists. A leader of the RMT and member of the Socialist Party goes around posting stuff like this. Indeed he must have posted these comments at almost exactly the same time he joined the SP. It could well be the case that the SP are unaware but given his frequent tirades on FB I'm surprised no-one in the RMT or SP has ever noticed.
But these comments are on a thread that is either open or accessible by well over 1000 people, many of who are left activists. A leader of the RMT and member of the Socialist Party goes around posting stuff like this. Indeed he must have posted these comments at almost exactly the same time he joined the SP. It could well be the case that the SP are unaware but given his frequent tirades on FB I'm surprised no-one in the RMT or SP has ever noticed.
dennisr
the acceptable face
That's the third time you have tried to smear the SP by association OSS - anyone would think you are secretly crowing about the allegations regarding SH. Maybe you should wait until more comes out into the open (given police involvement). Maybe the people involved do not need their personal horrors being used to - rather transparently - smear an organisation? Maybe it is best to leave the public online disclosure of these matters so as to avoid effecting the outcome of possible court trials etc etc?
Please don't reply trying to tell me its "just because you care".
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
It's a vital matter that must be put before the Lambeth Workers Council immediately, comrade. They have the right to know...uhhh, something.
co-op
But....but cLoWnFiSh....
I'm thinking of joining the SP just so I can tear up my membership card in disgust.
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
Anyways. The SWP split yet?
Will they fight over the name using their papers to differentiate?
eg SWP (Socialist Worker) and SWP (International Socialism) ?
What about Counterfire? Bamberry's ISG? all the other sad little external factions?
Will a zombie/phoenix group following the IS tradition rise from the grave/ashes?
...and who gets to keep the bust of Cliff?
Will they fight over the name using their papers to differentiate?
eg SWP (Socialist Worker) and SWP (International Socialism) ?
What about Counterfire? Bamberry's ISG? all the other sad little external factions?
Will a zombie/phoenix group following the IS tradition rise from the grave/ashes?
...and who gets to keep the bust of Cliff?
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
Just as an aside (too early for any discussion) Steve Hedley says he has instigated legal proceedings against a couple of people for libel apparently, and says that nobody has instigated any legal proceedings against him.
barney_pig
Po-cha-na-quar-hip
Combabes! A crisis threatens the largest truly proletarian mass party in the world!I'm glad I don't have internet at home at the moment.
Fingers crossed it'll all be over when I do.
This is how it ends eh? Not with bang but with a......?
Are the SP the last Trots standing now?
The field is clear, there is a vacuum to be filled. Whose up for it?
From the scratch of opportunism to the gangrene of parasitism!
Calls to open up the party and relax the requirements of the entry exam have been advanced by certain elements within PD. these combabes, who it seems have never truly understood the historical duty which posterity has rested upon the shoulders of the advanced ranks of the proletariat united under the banner of Posadist- Juche thought, wish to take advantage of the collapse into confusion which has befallen the parasitic elements as the internal contradictions inherent within aristocratic-trotskyiteism. Now is the time to (wo)man the ramparts of the party! The enemy are at the gates!
Central control and bunga-bunga commission proletarian Democracy
articul8
Dishonest sociopath
One of my facebook friends (who made the original allegation) says she has gone to the police - may yet result in charges. Looks like either way it will go through the courts.
dennisr
the acceptable face
It could be as true - so could the previous facebook posters claim to have contacted the police (and allegations of very serious assault) and instigated an investigation.
Its one word against another at the moment - so it is better for us not to play judge and jury (that is, surely, one key aspect of the sort of thing people have been critisising the SWP CC for?)
The thing is - we simply do not know - I am not pretending I do - I do know the allegations must be take seriously (and not used for cheap, false unrelated cracks).
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
Indeed, seems best. Incidentally I'm not sure if anyone was that specific about what Steve Hedley is alleged to have done. By bringing up the allegations in a thread about the rape allegations in the SWP, it could be construed that people are implying that Steve is a rapist. Perhaps if thats not what people meant then they should be clearer (but not too clear lest people get all litigious.)
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I propose we all shut up about it now then.
Das Uberdog
remembers the alamo
in other news, Seymour is claiming 45,000 page views for the new IS blog.
does bolshiebhoy have any further knowledge on how many branches have signed up to recall conference?
does bolshiebhoy have any further knowledge on how many branches have signed up to recall conference?
One_Stop_Shop
Well-Known Member
I know people involved, which is why it concerns me, but there you. Also it's a bit much that you are ok with SP members on here trawling over the details of the SWP case, but are defensive about this.
Obviously there has to be an investigation, and I haven't commented on the details and agree people shouldn't, which is why I didn't copy the quotes with the details that are going round on facebook.
But the quotes he put on facebook aren't in any doubt and are a seperate matter. Those alone would warrant suspension from a left organisation in my view. It's hardly smearing the SP by association, he is an SP member and has made those comments.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
I think this has already been sufficiently considered
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
The details have not been mentioned on here, never mind trawled over.
One_Stop_Shop
Well-Known Member
Just to be clear given the response from dennisr. These quotes from facebook:
Were made on facebook by Steve Hedley and have no connection to the current investigation going on. As they were made on a thread open to over 1000 people I don't see any reason for it not to be public.
Were made on facebook by Steve Hedley and have no connection to the current investigation going on. As they were made on a thread open to over 1000 people I don't see any reason for it not to be public.
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