Indeed that makes it more depressing. If they were all in some kind of gangsta bubble it would be easier to comprehend. Interesting article saying that Somali women also abused but withdrew allegations cos of fear of reprisals. http://www.hiiraan.com/news4/2014/N...ex_abuse_gang_race_not_a_relevant_factor.aspx
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She talks about the Quran at the end, if I make a post mentioning the bible in a similar context it would quite rightly be derided.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
And that's the key thing you take away from that article is it? Aside from that, it's a perfectly relevant quote illustrating something the article is designed to address and that she has been working towards for some time in Bristol.
No, just making the point that including that kind of quote means I'm unwilling to take the article seriously.
I'd have the same reaction towards any religious text being used in the same manner.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Why? She's Muslim and takes the Quran as a point of reference for lines of inspiration. So what? I'm guessing you wouldn't have taken Martin Luther King seriously then, as he quoted the bible.
That's just silly. Being atheist personally doesn't mean you ought to dismiss anything someone religious says just because they quote religious texts as an aside.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
I think you're wrong about that. If someone made a long and thoughtful post on here and ended it with a verse from a religious text that gives them inspiration, I don't think it would be derided. Certainly not by me.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
If you like reading the output of a racist academic fraud.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Benefit of the doubt, I guess, that CF doesn't know who Charles Murray is.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
This is the quote from the Koram used - it's perfectly relevant to her argument before it. i think it would take a special effort to claim that an argument that islam is not inherently pro-child abuse and subject to cover-ups should not use quotes from the founding texts of islam to make the case.
“O you who believe! Stand out firmly for justice, as witnesses to Allah, even if it be against yourselves, your parents, and your relatives, or whether it is against the rich or the poor...” (Quran 4:135)
“O you who believe! Stand out firmly for justice, as witnesses to Allah, even if it be against yourselves, your parents, and your relatives, or whether it is against the rich or the poor...” (Quran 4:135)
You really need to read what people write, what the thread is about and so on. Incredible. And thanks very much I know exactly who Charles Murray is.
Now go back. Read it again. Maybe it will make sense to you a second time around.
If you need it spelling out - and it appears that you do - Butchersapron was making a point about `social dumping` practised by councils/municipalities etc.
I then pointed - in agreement - to what I regard as a pretty seminal ultra right wing article in the Times from nine years ago called `the advantages of social apartheid` which is in favour of exactly this (cites the `clean up` of Manhattan as an example).
Hopefully you get my point now.
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ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Ooh! Someone is a bit thin-skinned regarding perceived criticism!
Amusing that you lecture on comprehension while lacking it yourself. My point wasn't anything to do with whether you knew who Murray was, it was (fairly obviously) that Murray writes for a particular milieu, and has a poor record for standing up what he writes with actual non-fabricated evidence.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
do you have a link to this seminal article?
I'm a very sensitive flower. Murray is a massive massive cnut just to be clear.
http://www.aei.org/publication/the-advantages-of-social-apartheid/
Yes.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
"The Bell Curve" was co-written with Richard Herrnstein. Murray's journalism (published by rightwing newspapers and tedious "house journals for people like The Heritage Foundation, mostly) plays on the old theme that poverty is the fault of the poor, and that if only they showed a bit of gumption and entrepreneurship, they too
Lurdan
old wave
So three months on what has happened to all those investigations into events in Rotherham ?
Louise Casey's review of the Council's governance, children's and young people's services and taxi licensing arrangements, which Eric Pickles announced last September, was due to report back to him about now and is due to be published in the spring. A more detailed list of what Pickles instructed her to look at can be found here.
Yesterday the National Crime Agency announced (press release here) that they have appointed Steve Baldwin to head Operation Stovewood, the independent investigation into non-familial child sexual exploitation and abuse in Rotherham between 1997 and 2013 which was commissioned by South Yorkshire's Chief Constable some months ago.
One strand of Operation Stovewood is to carry out a detailed review of those investigations into historic abuse currently being conducted by South Yorkshire Police. This is due to begin next week.
Originally it was announced that the NCA would be looking at possible misconduct in public office by non-Police Officers including Council officers, Councillors and Shaun Wright the former PCC. There is no specific reference to this in the NCA Press release.
The cost of Operation Stovewood, expected to run into millions, will fall on South Yorkshire Police. The new Police and Crime Commissioner Dr Alan Billings has already asked for a 1.95% increase in the policing element of Council Tax for 2015-16 to cover increased costs.
No further word on the IPCC's investigations into the conduct of ten South Yorkshire Police Officers since the announcement in November. Operation Stovewood is likely to lead to further officers being referred.
According to this story last week in the Sheffield Star, the Home Office investigation into missing and stolen files, including those removed from the Risky Business offices at the time of the unpublished research project the Home Office commissioned in 2002, is still in the 'scoping phase'. It was unknown when the investigation proper, to be conducted by Richard Whittam QC and Peter Wanless, might start.
Rotherham Council, meanwhile, has lost a couple more senior officers, appointed a new head of children's services (but not yet a new Chief Executive), rejected a FOI request to publish the 2003 and 2006 reports which it had ignored because they currently form part of Police investigations, and decided to look at employing the kinds of High Court injunctions banning suspected abusers from contacting victims which Birmingham Council obtained in November.
Louise Casey's review of the Council's governance, children's and young people's services and taxi licensing arrangements, which Eric Pickles announced last September, was due to report back to him about now and is due to be published in the spring. A more detailed list of what Pickles instructed her to look at can be found here.
Yesterday the National Crime Agency announced (press release here) that they have appointed Steve Baldwin to head Operation Stovewood, the independent investigation into non-familial child sexual exploitation and abuse in Rotherham between 1997 and 2013 which was commissioned by South Yorkshire's Chief Constable some months ago.
One strand of Operation Stovewood is to carry out a detailed review of those investigations into historic abuse currently being conducted by South Yorkshire Police. This is due to begin next week.
Originally it was announced that the NCA would be looking at possible misconduct in public office by non-Police Officers including Council officers, Councillors and Shaun Wright the former PCC. There is no specific reference to this in the NCA Press release.
The cost of Operation Stovewood, expected to run into millions, will fall on South Yorkshire Police. The new Police and Crime Commissioner Dr Alan Billings has already asked for a 1.95% increase in the policing element of Council Tax for 2015-16 to cover increased costs.
No further word on the IPCC's investigations into the conduct of ten South Yorkshire Police Officers since the announcement in November. Operation Stovewood is likely to lead to further officers being referred.
According to this story last week in the Sheffield Star, the Home Office investigation into missing and stolen files, including those removed from the Risky Business offices at the time of the unpublished research project the Home Office commissioned in 2002, is still in the 'scoping phase'. It was unknown when the investigation proper, to be conducted by Richard Whittam QC and Peter Wanless, might start.
Rotherham Council, meanwhile, has lost a couple more senior officers, appointed a new head of children's services (but not yet a new Chief Executive), rejected a FOI request to publish the 2003 and 2006 reports which it had ignored because they currently form part of Police investigations, and decided to look at employing the kinds of High Court injunctions banning suspected abusers from contacting victims which Birmingham Council obtained in November.
Lurdan
old wave
The report of Louise Casey's inspection has been published today. (Downloadable here as a pdf). Just started reading it but it's extremely critical of Rotherham Council.
Rotherham Council 'not fit for purpose over child abuse failings' - BBC
Rotherham council in denial on child sexual exploitation failures, report says - Guardian
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Rotherham Council 'not fit for purpose over child abuse failings' - BBC
Rotherham council in denial on child sexual exploitation failures, report says - Guardian
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
The cabinet resign.The cabinet.
bluescreen
tofu eating wokerati
In your dreams.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
They have. The rotherham cabinet that is.
Lurdan
old wave
Guardian site
This is the reconstructed cabinet after a number of the old members stood down. I suspect the 'transitional arrangements' may be difficult for them.
bluescreen
tofu eating wokerati
Apologies. I should have read the article first.
Do you think there is an element of political bullying here, or can we take this as fair?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Not sure - i do think there's an element of get me out of here quick on the part of the recomposed cabinet. Maybe a bit of both then - bully me out of this please.
Even following the publication of last year's damning report the council are still in denial and still trying to distance themselves from the evidence.
The opportunity placed before the executive and the cabinet to accept and move forward to resolve the issues was lost by the inability they have in pulling their laissez-faire socks up.
To be honest I am not in the least shocked.
This is what happens when front line staff are ignored, bullied and in some cases re-deployed when attempting to raise concerns.
The opportunity placed before the executive and the cabinet to accept and move forward to resolve the issues was lost by the inability they have in pulling their laissez-faire socks up.
To be honest I am not in the least shocked.
This is what happens when front line staff are ignored, bullied and in some cases re-deployed when attempting to raise concerns.
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
not-bono-ever
meh
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