Police shoot man in forest gate
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editor said:
oh but the abuse i received wasnt wrecking this thread.
when you re-read the thread you will find that i was replying to posts that were either abusing me or questioning why i posted things.
I answered without giving any abuse back.
If anyone wrecked this thread -- if indeed it was wrecked -- you need to look elsewhere for the cause.
editor
hiraethified
He/she wasn't offering a 'bit of speculation' - he/she was insisting that it was "so similar to the 'Ricin plot' bullshit story" within minutes of the story breaking and then going on about, " mi6/iraq war/torture evidence/porten down involvement."smokedout said:
All a little hasty, I believe.
no what he said was well tenuous, and i think the problem with conspiracy types is that they cont recognise the difference between their own (and others) speculation and verified fact
but i think a reaction to that which often makes people angry can be to push them too far in the other direction when they becomne so sceptical of ct-ers that they negin to lose the same scepticism of the government/corporation/police in question who mostly lie usually to cover for mistakes imo (dont we all at work) but not always
i dont believe rense, icke etc deliberately set out to deceive just like fundies dont, they believe it and its an unshakeable force, theres really no point arguing with a fundy, better off spiking them with acid (religious types only ... not ct-ers it seems to make them worse!)
i was watching it on news 24 for about an hour from about 4 havent looked in on it again yet
there were two young local lads who refused to show there faces saying the guy was unarmed and theyd know him sice school and he was nothing to do with terrorism ... means v little i know, but they were fucking angry
no-one seems to have claimed he was armed, and it seems strange that (when i last looked in) they havent announced finding anything
and there was some top cop being interviewed whop did nt exactly have the air of someone who had just pulled off stopping a terrorist operation, he looked a bit nervy and embarrassed
all means now't but it could well be an almighty fuck up, it just had that bit of a vibe about it, though that may have changed by now
heres some wild speculation
what if al queda set up the cops to shoot someone completely innocent
but i think a reaction to that which often makes people angry can be to push them too far in the other direction when they becomne so sceptical of ct-ers that they negin to lose the same scepticism of the government/corporation/police in question who mostly lie usually to cover for mistakes imo (dont we all at work) but not always
i dont believe rense, icke etc deliberately set out to deceive just like fundies dont, they believe it and its an unshakeable force, theres really no point arguing with a fundy, better off spiking them with acid (religious types only ... not ct-ers it seems to make them worse!)
i was watching it on news 24 for about an hour from about 4 havent looked in on it again yet
there were two young local lads who refused to show there faces saying the guy was unarmed and theyd know him sice school and he was nothing to do with terrorism ... means v little i know, but they were fucking angry
no-one seems to have claimed he was armed, and it seems strange that (when i last looked in) they havent announced finding anything
and there was some top cop being interviewed whop did nt exactly have the air of someone who had just pulled off stopping a terrorist operation, he looked a bit nervy and embarrassed
all means now't but it could well be an almighty fuck up, it just had that bit of a vibe about it, though that may have changed by now
heres some wild speculation
what if al queda set up the cops to shoot someone completely innocent
From the BBC:
Another neighbour said a family lived at the address.
"They were respectable and nice people and we do not know anything else. They have always been nice to us," she said.
"They have lived there for a long time. The kids all go to school locally."
We will have to wait and see whether this raid and shooting were in any way justified, whether a major terrrorist attack may have been thwarted or whether an innocent man has been shot. Worth bearing in mind that there have been many such raids, a fair number of arrests but hardly any convictions. This one has been reported because of the shooting. Perhaps it is the one time they have found real terrorists, perhaps not...
Another neighbour said a family lived at the address.
"They were respectable and nice people and we do not know anything else. They have always been nice to us," she said.
"They have lived there for a long time. The kids all go to school locally."
We will have to wait and see whether this raid and shooting were in any way justified, whether a major terrrorist attack may have been thwarted or whether an innocent man has been shot. Worth bearing in mind that there have been many such raids, a fair number of arrests but hardly any convictions. This one has been reported because of the shooting. Perhaps it is the one time they have found real terrorists, perhaps not...
smokedout said:
If I believed there was a plot involving poisons out there somewhere, and I'd just raided the wrong house, I'd be fucking jittery
Speaking for myself, though, I'm just sort of subjunctively jittery
Chem suits and stuff don't necessarily mean they suspected a plot to poison people. It could be they feared there'd be an incidentally poisonous explosives synthesis going on...
Or an acid lab
they quoted someone on the news from porten down as saying if the ontelligence is right then the substance theyre looking for could have devastating effects or some such words
sounds a bit like spookery though
any ideas what could be devastating laptop, notice theyre talking chemical not biological
sounds a bit like spookery though
any ideas what could be devastating laptop, notice theyre talking chemical not biological
smokedout said:
Far too many ideas, I'm afraid. It'd be pointless to speculate on which are easier to make
I had four hours sleep last night followed by a heavy meeting - after which I discovered that the person I was very rude to because he wasn't the organ grinder was, in fact, the head of PR for the BBC
- followed by nasty computer programming problem. I'm quite glad of the distraction.
Must get to sleep if I'm going to make it to Cambridge...
Bob_the_lost
Elsewhere
Well a bit of information that's firmly in the public domain, look at the sarin gas attacks on the tokyo underground, then look at the Anthrax attacks in the US (as far as i know the only modern biological warfare agent used in anger). Just because it's a chemical threat it doesn't mean it's less than a biological one.
have to say I'm pretty wary of this one. The last time they sent in hundreds of officers on a dawn raid like this it was the 'plot to blow up Old Trafford', which was based on them being Liverpool fans.
Guess we'll find out more but I'm not going to conclude anything because they put on a huge show.
Guess we'll find out more but I'm not going to conclude anything because they put on a huge show.
One of the guys was a big England fan according to media reports.
I don't know what Amy McSporran the talking spreadsheet terrier makes of it editor, but I would guess she thinks it's a overblown scare much the ricin plot that never was, or the plot to blow up Old Trafford which never was, any others? What's happened to the fertiliser trial?
I don't know what Amy McSporran the talking spreadsheet terrier makes of it editor, but I would guess she thinks it's a overblown scare much the ricin plot that never was, or the plot to blow up Old Trafford which never was, any others? What's happened to the fertiliser trial?
from what i've read upto now the police and official sources are saying it is an isolated investigation.
wouldnt suprise me if a 'valiant citizen' had tipped off the police in a panic about 'some asian lads' being all religious and strange. Police have to investigate, reports say that the cops went round last week, they got suspicious and launched an over-the-top assault.
police are being made to look stupid and right in the middle of the immigration iissue and unknown numbers of illegal persons in the uk. a big distraction.
wouldnt suprise me if a 'valiant citizen' had tipped off the police in a panic about 'some asian lads' being all religious and strange. Police have to investigate, reports say that the cops went round last week, they got suspicious and launched an over-the-top assault.
police are being made to look stupid and right in the middle of the immigration iissue and unknown numbers of illegal persons in the uk. a big distraction.
cemertyone
Well-Known Member
DexterTCN said:
Not only that....
but in actual fact the person who they believed was responsible for the posting of the anthrax actually turned out to be one of the governments own fucking scientists who had top level security clearence from the military to reserach all sorts of biological and germ related spores......Similar threads
