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Glastonbury's biggest problem, for me, is the ever-growing, pernicious influence of the BBC. Beyonce was like 'Sunday Night at the London Paladium' or something, proper entertainment for BBC Middle England. How Brucie didn't introduce her LIVE ON THE BBC I'll never know.

And as for the post-gig sofa chats....those def need Sue Barker and/or the BBC Breakfast News team. The BBC is slowly changing the whole character of the event.

If you watch on telly, it looks like it's all about the BBC.

But the reality is they only cover three of the sixty stages, and they have nothing to do with picking the acts. They have absolutely zero involvement with the vast majority of the site. I speak to quite a few area organisers, and I can guarantee the BBC are not on the invite list for many of them. When I asked the guy who runs the 5k-ish Acoustic whether the BBC had ever covered anything, he laughed. "They've never been allowed in."

Sure they wander around the site doing vox pops and stuff, but there's little more involvement than that outside of the big three stages.
 
Fancy reading a Torygraph op piece about carnival? brace yourself - includes gems like this:

"I don’t want to sound like a killjoy. There’s plenty of fun to be had at the Carnival, as revellers glug their way through 25,000 bottles of rum to the accompaniment of dozens of screaming sound systems. But that fun comes at a price, believe me. You should read the surveyor’s report on our house. I’ve just forked out 12 grand to fortify walls loosened by the pulsating throb of the Carnival. Or “Carnivaaal”, as right-on folk pronounce it.

It’s not the event I hate so much as the multi-culti fantasy that’s been constructed around it.."
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/damianthompson/100101610/this-isnt-a-carnival-its-a-police-state/

Oh well, I guess twattery creates website visits
 
If you watch on telly, it looks like it's all about the BBC.

But the reality is they only cover three of the sixty stages, and they have nothing to do with picking the acts. They have absolutely zero involvement with the vast majority of the site. I speak to quite a few area organisers, and I can guarantee the BBC are not on the invite list for many of them. When I asked the guy who runs the 5k-ish Acoustic whether the BBC had ever covered anything, he laughed. "They've never been allowed in."

Sure they wander around the site doing vox pops and stuff, but there's little more involvement than that outside of the big three stages.

There's a huge influence, it's just not direct and it creeps inexorably.

It has nothing to do with 'involvement' in the sense you're talking about.
 
Really nice 3 minute audio-slide show about Masquerade 2000's carnival preparations:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14671661

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Result, should be able to get to Carnival on Sunday now, thought I'd be away. Looking forward to celebrating Jah Observer's last ever carnival before retiring back to Jamaica.
 
good one baddog - wasnt planning on going monday too, but am going to try and pull myself together and get down for this digisoundboy thing <I think it could be a memorable one
 
All was peace and love today as far as I could see - looking fwd to tomorrow :)

BTW if anyone could help me ID a couple of reggae tracks I heard - one by a female vocalist - chorus goes 'stronger - we could be stronger', and the second I managed to catch a bit of a recording of - the first minute of this:
http://audioboo.fm/boos/453087-jah-observer
the track begins with a distinctive guitar lick (but thats missing from this dodgy recording). Ta.
 
Brilliant afternoon yesterday. The sun came out and isn't London fantastic when it's carnival. Only got into a people jam about once. Great vibes and didn't see any trouble, it felt alot happier than in previous years somehow but that might have been red stripe...
 
^Nice to hear.

Went back today, but a little tired out, not as sunny either, and had a hassle getting in, came from a not usual direction and hit some annoying roads blocks. in the first 20mins saw two unnecessary stop and searches, a socialist worker seller and boris johnson :facepalm: not the best of starts! But it was all fun in the end.

In case anyones interested that Digital Soundboy stage was pretty interesting - basically mixing up uk funky, dubstep, jungle, dnb, and grime and everything in the cracks. A very young crowd - teens to twenties - all very up for it. I felt a bit old tbh! had a nice rig - loud and clear.

I cant remember there being any grime at carnival before. Grime MC D Double E was probably the highlight in fact - the crowd loved it. Quite brave in the scheme of things - bearing in mind how tunes like lethal bizzles Pow have been banned in places for making things kick off (or so ive heard), it was nice to hear it being played out and being enjoyed. There was a bit of trouble from someone during Ms Dynamites set - I couldnt see what was going on, but it was a good exercise in a crowd self-policing, as between the MCs and the crowd everyone set whoever it was straight: come to party or go home. A couple of police heads popped up out of nowhere to monitor things, but they left again soon after.

I enjoyed Shy FXs jungle classics set - Original Nuttah even got some of the lads moshing! But not as much nice DnB as Id have liked - I think my favourite djs were on a lot earlier.

Theyve definitely found a niche here though, nicely catering for a younger generation, and pretty seamlessly tying together threads of different uk bass music and presenting it in a fun way. I doubt I'll be back, but a really good addition to the overall roster I think.

*Supposedly Hackneys Solution Sound will be replacing Jah Observer next year.
 
yeah, enjoyed Digital Soundboy... and it's always a pleasure to see D double E... thanks you lot for putting me on to it. There were fights before Ms Dynamites's Pa, ironically just after they played lethal bizzle's POW. In parts I did feel like a geography teacher in a Skins scene, but hey ho.. .better to be old than dead, and that's the only choice. Oh and Rampage used to pay grime at carnival if I remember rightly.

Was noticably more moody than Sunday, as I was trying to squeeze myself through the crush at Channel One during their 'last song', this kid ahead of me just jumped on this bloke and had to be pulled off him by the crowd. But still overall a good carnival.

I loved the Sunday, just the right amount of people, and for the first time it didn't take seeming of hours of navigating through slow moving crowds to get up north to Aba Shante, who were playing Culture's Two Sevens Clash when I first got up there (which *made* my Carnival), was entertained by the policeman standing watch behind Aba Shante's system though.

Now I'm regretting not pulling a sicky today.
 
i thought aba shanti were only playing monday? fucks sake.. thats what their site said anyway..

i had a ball on the sunday, didnt make the monday. but yeh.. one of the best ones ive been to, not as crowded as usual and the cops actually opened up the roads to let people thru now and then, unlike usual.
 
but one thing really got on my wick, people with large backpacks. Can't there be a special by-law for Carnival with people with backpacks with a depth greater than a couple of inches being refused entry for being inconsiderate idiots (it will save 'em having their backpacks emptied as they barge through crowds or knock dancing people over with said large backpacks, though)
 
I enjoyed Shy FXs jungle classics set - Original Nuttah even got some of the lads moshing! But not as much nice DnB as Id have liked - I think my favourite djs were on a lot earlier.

Theyve definitely found a niche here though, nicely catering for a younger generation, and pretty seamlessly tying together threads of different uk bass music and presenting it in a fun way. I doubt I'll be back, but a really good addition to the overall roster I think.

Tottaly agree, I caught a bit of DnB on the soundboy stage but had to go and find someone only to comeback to dubstep! We just went back to all saints road and moved between the CMC/Matrix rig and the rappattack rig for the monday (just like we did on the sunday!).

Was also entertained by the heavy rain that came and went in about 5 minutes, which started literally on the dot of 7pm on the Sunday.

I know it was almost as if the police and organisers had planned it!
 
but one thing really got on my wick, people with large backpacks. Can't there be a special by-law for Carnival with people with backpacks with a depth greater than a couple of inches being refused entry for being inconsiderate idiots (it will save 'em having their backpacks emptied as they barge through crowds or knock dancing people over with said large backpacks, though)
they are annoying as fuck but how else are you ment to stock up on beer? I am not paying £2-3 a can all day!

However, What should be banned is dogs. The amount of people who took there dogs there was ridiculous. And it wasn't just the moody boys with there pitts, I saw everything from those freakishly small chiwawas to a massive st bernard. Its not fair on the dogs or other carnival goers.
 
Only problem with that WWWeed is that people live there and own dogs. Given the area most homes probably dont have gardens and I don't think dogs understand how to use toilets.

Were the dogs causing a problem? I saw a few, not so much in the busy areas, didnt see anyone getting attacked or falling over a dog. Not sure what the problem is? Unless you dont like dogs.

I went Sunday, had a fab if damp in places day - will do a better report this evening! I have some pictures too :)
 
In parts I did feel like a geography teacher in a Skins scene, but hey ho.. .
ha ha, yeah, im with you on that one.
Was noticably more moody than Sunday, as I was trying to squeeze myself through the crush at Channel One during their 'last song', this kid ahead of me just jumped on this bloke and had to be pulled off him by the crowd. But still overall a good carnival.

I loved the Sunday, just the right amount of people, and for the first time it didn't take seeming of hours of navigating through slow moving crowds to get up north to Aba Shante, who were playing Culture's Two Sevens Clash when I first got up there (which *made* my Carnival), was entertained by the policeman standing watch behind Aba Shante's system though.
Yeah the Sunday was ace - I think im going to stick to Sundays from now on - not sure ive got the stamina for both anymore - though i hate that feeling of missing something... if it wasnt once a year it wouldnt be such a problem

spirits are the way forward, drinking beer is a constantly going to the bogs mugs game at carnival ;)
ohmyliver :D

i thought aba shanti were only playing monday? fucks sake.. thats what their site said anyway..
I think in the past AS was Mondays only, but for the last 3 (?) years has been there all weekend - apart from last year when supposedly he turned up late (9.30am) and they weren't allowed to drive the van in :facepalm:
Were the dogs causing a problem?

...I have some pictures too :)
Supposedly 3 dogs were 'arrested' under the dangerous dogs act. Look forward to the pics :)
 
spirits are the way forward, drinking beer is a constantly going to the bogs mugs game at carnival ;)

:D

Its all good I had access to a toilet in someones house (and not at £1 a time) :cool: but you are completly right!

Only problem with that WWWeed is that people live there and own dogs. Given the area most homes probably dont have gardens and I don't think dogs understand how to use toilets.

Were the dogs causing a problem? I saw a few, not so much in the busy areas, didnt see anyone getting attacked or falling over a dog. Not sure what the problem is? Unless you dont like dogs.

I went Sunday, had a fab if damp in places day - will do a better report this evening! I have some pictures too :)

I agree most dogs don't cause a problem. I don't think its fair on them with the music, the crowds, and hazards like chicken bones and broken glass. If the dogs got a good temperament and is reasonably trained there is no problem, but that's not always the case. I saw a black staffy chained up in the little park by all saints road on the monday and it was going mental at two girls playing on the swing. The owners tried calming the dog down with no success and made the girls get off the swing, only for another two girls to get on the swing a minute later and do the same! so the dog was left chanied to a railing for an hour or so going mad at anyone on or near the swing. Nothing happened, but I just think carnival isn't for dogs. Your right about residents dogs so maybe a ban isn't the answer.

Still dogs or not I had a wicked time both days!
 
I think in the past Aba Shanti was Mondays only, but for the last 3 (?) years has been there all weekend - apart from last year when supposedly he turned up late (9.30am) and they weren't allowed to drive the van in

Supposedly first day is revival and second day up to date
 
Had one of the greatest days ever on the Monday!...Had a wedding on Sunday so drove home heavily hungover Monday morning, quick pitstop home (I live just off Portobello Road, in one of the cordoned off/private roads) to change (Stuck the new Dave Rodigan 'Gimme Some Signal' T-Shirt on, kept getting stopped and getting complimented on it, always nice ;) ) then went for a stroll, and first place I came across had a great oldschool garage thing going on, and couldn't bring myself to leave there for a while it was so good, and just loved the early groove getting on and everyone moving from head nodders to foot tappers then arm wavers, like a whole load of stages, I could quite happily spend a whole day there, though then the other voice in your head guilt trips you into feeling like you should do more with your day ;), So then hooked up with some pals and just mooched around. Did an hour or so in the Redbull thing which all of my party commented was as last year and comically white, though I heard Zinc's 138 Trek and F.U.N - It's The Way which made me fell (and act!) like I was ten years younger and really kicked the day off and hangover from yesterday was a distant memory. I'm a deep/disco house DJ now and it's been my sole musical passion for 10 years, but there's a little bit inside of me that fells that NOTHING I've heard in the last 10 years will beat UKG when it's done good and full of drama!

Strolled around a bit more, checked out Sancho Panzo representing house (alone) - they will have to move their spot IMO if there's no Good Times as the top of a T junction is the worst possible set up for crowd wise - everyone is split up and you get no distance for your crowd (IYSWIM). Didn't see as much dub as I'd have liked, though nothing would have prepared me for what happened next:D

Strolling back to my flat after the 7pm curfew for a toilet break, my road is all cut off from everything and everyone (apart from residents and staff/emergency services etc) (you would never believe the mayhem going on at either end of my road which is a real blessing!), just as I'm about to stick my keys into my front door, I hear this "Wheey...signal man" turn round, and it was only the man Rodigan himself wearing the same t-shirt! I actually can't think of a bigger idol I've wanted to meet in my entire life, and here he is, on Carnival day, with no one else aside from mine and his other halves....here!....and basically completely contradicted the 'you should never meet an idol' thing - I've got him on a massive pedestal and he surpassed it all!, anyone who's seen him on tv or in concert can think of what he'd be like, well he was just that. But better! Stopped, chatted, allowed the obligatory photo, completely made me feel at ease (my legs were shaking and my words were struggling to come out I was so nervous/excited/in shock!) and was just the nicest guy that leaves you only in awe.

That was at 7pm and after a long sit down to regain my composure (and tell everyone I know!), I spent the next few hours going for a stroll in a daze with the most shit eating grin I think I've ever had, for some reason I love watching the carnage wind down and the before and after of the warzone slowly but surely folds back into the neighbourhood I know and love. The transformation is amazing, though I think the smell will take a while longer ;)

I just bloody love it. Like any similar event, I'll have regrets that I didn't see more, I wanted to see some proper (what I call) lazer-gun rhythm track raggae, but other than that it was pretty much the perfect day!

And I'm sure it's not the rose tinted spectacles that I geninely couldn't think of anything negative that I witnessed (pissing in streets aside ;) )

Roll on next year!
 
So me and my friend went on the Sunday - last couple of years we have gone on the Monday. It felt quieter, less rammed and pretty relaxed. We came in via Shepherds Bush and I noted there were no police to be seen on the way up to the carnival until we were there, I was expecting there to be more cops that punters tbh.

We followed the floats for a bit then wandered in to have a look round - we got there fairly early about 11-12pm so it was quiet. Stopped for some lunch then headed off to the soundsystems. Aba Shanti, Jah Observer, Channel One and Lord Ambassador were the main ones we spent any time at.

We wandered off for a scout about a bit too close to 7pm and ended up just catching the end at one of the systems - It was pretty funy really when it bucketed down just after 7 :D

I like carnival, I like the atmosphere, the music, the people, having a drink and a dance in the street. There was even a rainbow at the end :D
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two pictures :rolleyes: which tbh could have been taken anywhere - apparently the others are too large. pfft.

Does anyone know what was going on with the brown chocolate/mud stuff people were chucking around and painting each other with?
 
Does anyone know what was going on with the brown chocolate/mud stuff people were chucking around and painting each other with?

"Pure Lime
Pure Lime has its cultural origins in the Republic of Trinidad and Tobago, the home of Carnival and hosts of the largest of the Caribbean carnivals. The bandleader of Pure Lime is Edison, a Trinidadian of mixed African and Indian heritage. The Pure Lime Chocolate Mas experience is organised by himself, with his wife Theresa by his side, and a committee of six individuals from Trinidad, England and Serbia.

Edison's brainchild of using chocolate in Carnival draws on one of Trinidad Carnival's oldest traditions of using mud in J'Ouvert to represent the dark and decadent side of human beings. The Chocolate Mas can be referred to as the band's 'performance' at the Notting Hill parade and this performance comprises of all Pure Lime masqueraders taking part in a mutual group smearing of chocolate and coconut oil. It is important to note that this mixture is edible and must be enjoyed whilst drinking healthy levels of alcohol (adults) or soft drinks and dancing to pumping soca rhythms. "


:D
 
I found that after I posted :rolleyes: :D don't recall seeing it the last couple of years?

I wonder if the police cadets were counted as part of the number of police at carnival? I have to say I didn't find the police presence over bearing or intrusive on the Sunday - it was something I was concerned about, especially after mishearing on BBC news in the morning that there would be 16000 police present :D
 
I may be wrong, but I think the chocolate mas thing is on Sundays only. I only saw it the first time a couple of years back, but on their website they mention 13 years! Looks like a lot of fun - people doing it seem to be having the time of their lives

re: the police, I think the policy was have shit loads of police waiting in back streets /nearby, but out of sight as much as possible unless they were needed. May well have been 16,000 in a warehouse somewhere!
 
I had a chat with one and she said they had about 5-600 per day which was a small increase than normal for carnival BUT that there were more cops stationed around London (not 16000 worth!) incase it kicked off elsewhere - which seemed to fit as there were quite a few cops hanging around East Croydon when I got home at 9pm ish (9pm! lame :D). They were only BTP though.
 
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