Missing Milly Dowler's voicemail "hacked by News of the World"

[butchersapron]

Fair bit of heat taking off manouveres by the Met over next few days i expect.

 

[paolo]

You want it all at once? Split-screen/multi-stage frenzy?

Give the story some air, some room to develop so people can follow.

Murdoch, Met, Mail

The movie is *so* epic, they've already announced the sequels.

 

[claphamboy]

Brooks arrested by 'appointment' earlier -

Well that has cheered me up on an otherwise dull Sunday afternoon.

ETA: Does this give her more of a reason to refuse to answer questions from MPs on Tuesday?

 

[articul8]

Fair bit of heat taking off manouveres by the Met over next few days i expect.

Yes - but this is where the really explosive stuff is - systematic evidence of corrupt policing going right to the top, including failing to prosecute Coulson for perjury when they had evidence in their hands, perverting the course of justice themselves by refusing to extend the inquiry...

But who will police the police?

 

[butchersapron]

Yes - but this is where the really explosive stuff is - systematic evidence of corrupt policing going right to the top, including failing to prosecute Coulson for perjury when they had evidence in their hands, perverting the course of justice themselves by refusing to extend the inquiry...

But who will police the police?

Yes, that was what i was suggesting. No need for the 'but'.

 

[paolo]

So, all eyes must now be turning to "little Jimmy pay-off".

 

[butchersapron]

Well that has cheered me up on an otherwise dull Sunday afternoon.

ETA: Does this give her more of a reason to refuse to answer questions from MPs on Tuesday?

I would think it gives her more leeway to say she can't answer due to ongoing police investigations yes. This was always her plan as she clearly indicated in her letter to the cmtte, but i think the range of stuff she can/will refuse to reply in a substantive manner has just been expanded.

 

[equationgirl]

I didn't know you could be arrested by appointment. Is that only for posh/rich people?

 

[OneStrike]

The timing absolutely stinks, it suits the met (who are also under investigation) and Brooks to do this now instead of waiting until Wednesday, it just reeks of collusion between them to watch each others backs.

 

[paolo]

Well that has cheered me up on an otherwise dull Sunday afternoon.

ETA: Does this give her more of a reason to refuse to answer questions from MPs on Tuesday?

Yes.

But it will be nice to watch her, her fucking so important self, having to tell everyone that. (That *she's* been arrested. No fucking flim flam about other people, poor standards, regretful, blah blah... *She's* been arrested).

Wonder if she'll have her hair done again?

"We were all pulling together under the most traumatic and devastating circumstances and mustering all the dignity we could and Rebekah was two floors down in the hairdressers getting her hair done. She had it opened especially. That just says it all," said a senior executive.

 

[laptop]

ETA: Does this give her more of a reason to refuse to answer questions from MPs on Tuesday?

No idea - and I suspect that the line between a Select Committee and self-incrimination/prejudicing proceedings is rather blurry in our wonderful unwritten constitution.

Committee members preparing to grill the trio are to be given legal advice on the morning of the hearing on how far they can push the News Corp boss and his son for answers. The committee's chairman, the Tory MP John Whittingdale, has asked for details of their lines of questioning to avoid duplication.

News Corp is understood to be concerned that the committee will set a trap by asking questions the Murdochs are unable to answer due to the continuing criminal investigations and are taking advice on how to avoid yet another public relations disaster as the company attempts to rebuild its reputation.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2011/jul/16/rupert-murdoch-ed-miliband-phone-hacking

 

[laptop]

I didn't know you could be arrested by appointment. Is that only for posh/rich people?

When it happened to me, I was as poor as a church mouse.

 

[claphamboy]

I would think it gives her more leeway to say she can't answer due to ongoing police investigations yes. This was always her plan as she clearly indicated in her letter to the cmtte, but i think the range of stuff she can/will refuse to reply in a substantive manner has just been expanded.

Agreed, my thoughts exactly - well 30 seconds after the joy of hearing of her arrest.

The timing absolutely stinks, it suits the met (who are also under investigation) and Brooks to do this now instead of waiting until Wednesday, it just reeks of collusion between them to watch each others backs.

This too, very smelly indeed.

 

[Voley]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14178051

Officers from Operation Elveden were also involved with the arrest. They are investigating allegations of inappropriate payments to police, an inquiry which is being supervised by the Independent Police Complaints Commission.

All getting very tangled now. Can these investigations really be truly separate?

 

[equationgirl]

When it happened to me, I was as poor as a church mouse.

So what is being arrested by appointment then? Do you just schedule a time to turn up and be arrested?

 

[paolo]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14178051



All getting very tangled now. Can these investigations really be truly separate?

Seperate teams, but swapping notes I would expect. And hope, tbf. Can't see any issue with that.

 

[claphamboy]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14178051

All getting very tangled now. Can these investigations really be truly separate?

Yes, and they should be, although, of course, there will be some overlap between the two.

 

[claphamboy]

So what is being arrested by appointment then? Do you just schedule a time to turn up and be arrested?

Normally yes, sometimes it's scheduled for them to pick you up.

 

[paolo]

The timing absolutely stinks, it suits the met (who are also under investigation) and Brooks to do this now instead of waiting until Wednesday, it just reeks of collusion between them to watch each others backs.

Difficult to say I think.

We're in event-blizzard at the moment, and it's become very clear over the last week that nobody can play the story on their own terms. It's a circular firing squad.

 

[butchersapron]

Max sentence under this corruption legislation is 7 years

 

[weltweit]

Guardian: The questions the select committee must ask Rebekah Brooks, James and Rupert Murdoch

Any missing?

I think there are plenty missing, and some of those that are there are not very strong.

Question to all of them:

Who authorised the hacking of Milly Dowlers phone?
Who authorised the deleting of messages on Milly Dowlers phone?

Who authorised payment of Glen Mulcaires invoices?

Who knew payments were being made to police officers?
Which police officers were paid?
Who authorised payments to police officers?

There are more ..

 

[stethoscope]

Brooks has been arrested
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14178051

 

[claphamboy]

Brooks has been arrested
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14178051

Little late there, stephj.

 

[ferrelhadley]

These apparently the people who featured in the Gillard Flynn book

THE UNTOUCHABLES
Paul Condon Commissioner (1993-2000)
John Stevens Commissioner (2000-2005); Deputy Commissioner (1998-2000)
Brian Hayes Deputy Commissioner (1993-1998)
Ian Blair Commissioner (2005- ); Deputy Commissioner (2000~-2005)
Dave Veness Assistant Commissioner
lan Johnston Assistant Commissioner
Mike Todd Assistant Commissioner
John Grieve Deputy Assistant Commissioner
Roy Clark Deputy Assistant Commissioner
Bill Griffiths Deputy Assistant Commissioner
Roger Gaspar Detective chief superintendent (Ghost Squad)
Dave Bailey Detective superintendent (Ghost Squad)
Dave Woods Detective chief inspector (Ghost Squad)
Andy Hayman Commander (CIB3/ClBlC 1999-2002)
Graham James Commander (Discipline & Complaints)
Ian Quinn Commander (CIB2)
Ian Russell Commander (replaced Quinn)
Dave Wood Detective chief superintendent (CIB3, replaced Gaspar)
Chris Jarratt Detective superintendent (CIBlC, replaced Woods)
Brian Moore Detective superintendent (ClB3 Operation Ethiopia)
John Coles Detective superintendent (CIB3 Operation Cornwall)
John Yates Detective superintendent (ClB3 Operation Russia)
Barry Norman Detective superintendent (CIB3 Operation Helios)
Martin Bridger Detective chief inspector (CIB3 Operation Ethiopia)
Bob Berger Detective chief inspector (CIBIC)
Chris McHaffey Detective chief inspector (CIB3)
Jill McTigue Detective chief inspector (CIB3)
Dave Pennant Detective chief inspector (CIB3)
Simon Cousins Detective chief inspector (CIB3 Witness Protection Unit)
Shaun Sawyer Detective chief Superintendent, (replaced Hayman)
Bob Quick Detective chief superintendent (CIB3, replaced Wood)
Barbara Wilding Deputy Assistant Commissioner (replaced Sawyer 2004)
Steve Roberts Deputy Assistant Commissioner (replaced Wilding 2004)
David Zinzan Detective Superintendent (IDG, formerly CIBIC)
Tony Fuller Detective Superintendent (IDG, replaced Zinzan)
Steve Foster Detective chief inspector (IDG)
Maxine de Brunner Detective Superintendent (ACG, formerly CIB3)
Jack Kelly Detective Inspector
Steve Bazzoni Detective Inspector
Adrian Harper Detective Inspector
Maggie Palmer Detective Inspector
Peter Ward Detective Inspector
Mark Holmes Detective Inspector

CRIMINAL SUPERGRASSES
Geoff Brennan
Evelyn F1eckney
Hector Harvey
Michael Michael
Maurice O'Mahoney
Richard Price
Jason Procter
Ashley Sansom
Steve Warner

POLICE SUPERGRASSES
Kevin Garner
Duncan Hanrahan
Terry McGuinness
Neil Putnarn
Kalaish Sawnhney (Customs)

CRIMINALS
The Adams crime family (north London)
The Arif crime family (south-east London)
Henry Burgess
Kevin Cressey
John 'Goldfinger' Fleming
Ray Gray
Micky Green
Dean Henry
Jimmy Karagozlu
Bob Kean
John 'Little Legs' Lloyd
Chris McCormack
Clifford Norris
Kenny Noye (Kenneth Noye)
Stephen Raymond
Joey Simms
Michael Taverner
Gary Ward
Curtis Warren
'Tall' Ted Williams
Carl Wood
Brian Wright

CIVILIANS TARGETED BY THE UNTOUCHABLES
Les Brown (solicitor)
Debbie Cahill (CPS)
Jon Rees (private investigator)

EX-COPS TARGETED BY THE UNTOUCHABLES
DC Geoff Baldwin (private investigator)
DS John Davidson (private investigator)
DS Sid Fillery (private investigator)
DC Nigel Grayston (private investigator)
DS Keith Green
DS Bob Harrington (private investigator)
DC Martin King (private investigator)
DI Alec Leighton (private investigator)
DI Keith Pedder (private investigator)

COPS TARGETED BY THE UNTOUCHABLES
DS John Bull
DC Mick Carroll
DC Chris Carter
DC Michael Charman
DC Robert Clark
DC Declan Costello
D/Supt Ali Dizaei
DC John Donald
DC Chris Drury
DC Colin Evans
DC Paul Goscomb
DS Len Guerard
DS Eamonn Harris
DC Dave Howells
DS Paul Kelly
DC Tom Kingston
DS Gordon Livingstone
DI Fred May
DC Jeff May
DS Denis Miller
DC John Moore
DC Martin Morgan
DI Tim Norris
DC Mark Norton
DS Terry Q'Connell
DAC Brian Paddick
DI George Raison
DI John Redgrave
DC Tom Reynolds
DC Ian Saunders
DC Paul Smith
DC Dave Thompson
DS Barry Toombs
DS Gurpal Virdi
DC Austin Warnes

Names that seem to crop up form time to time in the hacking.

I notice Bob Quick also in 'ghost squad' seems a very strong link between this squad the people who headed the anti terror police

Sorry for the long c&p

 

[skyscraper101]

A cynic might say that the Met have just made sure Rebekah Brooks is silenced in front of Parliament on Tuesday. They wouldn't do that would they?

 

[stethoscope]

Little late there, stephj.

Sorry, didn't read last page

 

[Kaka Tim]

So why haven't news international's offices been raided - like a week ago?

 

[laptop]

So what is being arrested by appointment then? Do you just schedule a time to turn up and be arrested?

Yes - when they phoned one February, I pointed out that one of my co-defendants was on holiday, and mid-March would be convenient.

Basically, turning up, or being visted, by appointment is an option if you're not a flight risk: being posh does help there.

 

[laptop]

A cynic might say that the Met have just made sure Rebekah Brooks is silenced in front of Parliament on Tuesday. They wouldn't do that would they?

On the other hand, it gives MPs more time to question the actual Murdochs... Brook's fire-break is breached.

 

[equationgirl]

Gosh. I hope everything turned out ok for you laptop - and thanks for the information, 'tis amazing what you learn on the internet.