Loughborough Junction public space improvements - consultation begins
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prunus
Tick tock.
Herne hill road too
snowy_again
Slush
And Railton Road too - hadn't realised how extensive they are.
The 20mph limit on that road has done nothing to reduce the car / van / care service transport though.
The 20mph limit on that road has done nothing to reduce the car / van / care service transport though.
CH1
"Red Guard"(NLYL)
It just occurred to me that there is a sort of compromise solution pioneered in Holland and taken up by Boris in South Kensington/Exhibition Road.
Make the cars mix in with the people - it slows them down a lot apparently.
I walk up and down Exhibition Road a fair bit in the summer, and it does seem to work there.
I would have though that such a scheme in Coldharbour Lane/Atlantic Road round the so-called triangle would work. A large number of people have always jay-walked there - and the vehicles would be on caution to slow down be observant under a mixed use thoroughfare scheme.
The same thing could be done at Loughborough Road - though personally I think that Loughborough Road is mainly about vehicles rather than pedestrians and the current driving force behind closing the road to traffic is idealogical not pragmatic.
Make the cars mix in with the people - it slows them down a lot apparently.
I walk up and down Exhibition Road a fair bit in the summer, and it does seem to work there.
I would have though that such a scheme in Coldharbour Lane/Atlantic Road round the so-called triangle would work. A large number of people have always jay-walked there - and the vehicles would be on caution to slow down be observant under a mixed use thoroughfare scheme.
The same thing could be done at Loughborough Road - though personally I think that Loughborough Road is mainly about vehicles rather than pedestrians and the current driving force behind closing the road to traffic is idealogical not pragmatic.
snowy_again
Slush
That prompted massive complaints from RNIB though.
prunus
Tick tock.
Blind people really shouldn't be driving anyway.
Winot
I wholeheartedley agree with your viewpoint
Just spat out my lunch.
snowy_again
Slush
Thinking again, it might have been guide dogs doing some of the complaining too (not about how they struggle to see over the steering wheel etc.).
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
I heard that on radio a while back.
I can understand why.
The RNIB were complaining that the border between traffic and pedestrians was unclear for people with poor sight. The surfacing and pattern caused confusion. Many people who are blind have some sight. Enough to see borders. Exhibition road new look does not clearly differentiate between car and pedestrian areas on colour or texture on the road.
I feel the same cycling. When it first opened it was confusing for traffic. No one was sure what was road , what was space for pedestrians and cyclist. That stretch of road get busy at rush hour.
It looks nice but I do not see the point of it on that stretch of road. It would be good as pedestrian and cyclist only area. But the car lobby would go off on one if that was suggested.
snowy_again
Slush
And the museums depend on coaches.
cuppa tee
Well-Known Member
funny handshake business, local democracy in Lambeth seems to be all about secret societies, cliques and cabals
LadyV
Well-Known Member
How annoying that these things aren't really advertised, I follow as many people related to this as I can on Twitter and I don't remember seeing anything, LJAG didn't mention anything, they've switched to their #LJSardines campaign!
Does anyone know if the meeting went ahead or what was said?
That meeting in Longfield Hall on Thu 22 Jan was held by the Minet "Hub" not LJAG. I hear they touched on Myatt's Fields parking and CPZ issues but not the road closures and it was mainly about the Minet Library and Myatt's Fields Park etc.
The day before (Wed 21 Jan) Cllr Jenny Brathwaite had a meeting. She is Cabinet Member for Environment & Sustainability. The meeting was proposed by some people who are opposed to the road closures but others who are in favour went as well so it turned out like another of the consultation meetings. The councillor asked questions and took notes but you might have thought she would know by now.
As for local democracy in Lambeth: should there not be community councils in place of secret societies and cliques at the most local level? Does anyone have experience of them elsewhere?
The consultation report is available on the Lambeth site:
http://lambeth.gov.uk/consultations/loughborough-junction-public-space-improvements
http://lambeth.gov.uk/consultations/loughborough-junction-public-space-improvements
CH1
"Red Guard"(NLYL)
I couldn't see from that report when it was written - obviously after 31st October 2014, but when?
I read the submission from the Brixton Society which dealt in detail with access needs of the small businesses (mainly car repairs etc) in the Loughborough Junction Area. Nothing of this is in the report as far as I can see.
What annoys me is that the council in the 1990s encouraged such businesses to locate there -Loughborough Junction Motor Park was the buzz-word at Brixton Challenge.
Now Loughbrough Junction is becoming somewhat bourgeois the council feel the are doing a good thing by easing out small business employment (it no longer fits in an up-and-coming area).
I think the report does not deal with this aspect. I for one oppose relentless gentrification causing loss of employment - especially as it is opposed by local residents (as evidenced by the LETRA petition from the Loughborough Estate tenants).
ChrisSouth
Well-Known Member
CH1
"Red Guard"(NLYL)
Obviously it is not opposed by all.
I guess the population of Loughborough old and new estates is 2-3,000 maybe more. LETRA appear to have got a fair chunk of that (750) to sign their petition.
LadyV
Well-Known Member
Thanks for sharing this, it's interesting to read some of the comments and see where the responders came from. I know that the consultation wasn't just about the closure of the Loughborough Road/Coldharbour Lane junction but I'm still disappointed but not surprised to see how few of the responders came from the immediate area that will be the most affected by the closure.
ChrisSouth
Well-Known Member
CH1
"Red Guard"(NLYL)
Maybe they weren't involved in the consultation from the beginning.
Just asked to rubber stamp the opinions of an elite - that is impression I got from those complaining.
I'm not directly involved - but the "if it ain't broke why fix it" approach suggests the sensible way is to listen to LETRA unless there is a consensus for change.
People who want to make drastic changes have to be in position to justify those changes to everyone - not just use the council's bureaucracy to force their brilliant idea down people's throats.
Do you think it was LETRA's job to make the case for change if they were not convinced?
ChrisSouth
Well-Known Member
cuppa tee
Well-Known Member
I though it might be a good idea to put Tricky Skills post from the Loughborough Junction thread here in case it was missed by interested parties...........
LadyV
Well-Known Member
Thanks for sharing cuppa tee, it just sucks that they're going ahead with it!
LadyV
Well-Known Member
From Loughborough Junction Chitter Chatter group, although as it seems to be a lot of the same people, you've probably all seen it!
CH1
"Red Guard"(NLYL)
Not just a pub, but as the Warrior it was a pioneering brewery/pub where you could see the brewing equipment behind glass from the lounge bar.
Unfortunately they were ahead of their time (this was the 1980s), and failed to attract a following.
Eventually the brewing equipment was junked and it and it became "The Junction", a free wheeling weekend only all-night dance venue. One could have the startling experience of an E'd up reveller spilling out semi-naked in front of you on the Sunday morning walk to church (or the Kings College hospital car boot sale - according to taste).
Whilst I loved the Warrior, even I think the Junction was more exciting than Tescos.
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