Hillsborough Independent Panel findings and release of documents.

[treelover]

Its ok poor Kelvin was a victim as well, he just faithfully reported the facts as presented to him by a reputable news agency. Fuck me thats not an apology, he's still not in the slightest bit sorry. He doesnt give a fuck.

Of course, the journo who wrote the piece said that McKenzie demanded it was published and that it was changed from 'claims that fans urinated, etc '' to clearly accussing them of it and of course it was given the The Truth', headline..

'though of course the journo is still culpable to a degree..

 

[Mr.Bishie]

The SUNS SCUMS headlines tomorrow should be interesting...

Every bastard involved in this fucking cover up should stand before a court of law.

 

[dennisr]

one survivor recalls football's darkest day

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/hillsborough-documents-released-survivor-damian-1317380

 

[Smokeandsteam]

The two minutes silence in Liverpool didn't seem very well observed, the tv cameras were doing mostly close in shots, a different city to the one i remember, though i suspect tonight will be a much bigger affair..

The service is at 5.00pm tonight. All roads in the city are being closed to traffic.

The 2 minute silence was perfectly observed btw.

JF96

 

[butchersapron]

Seems odd that Colin Moynihan - then minister/'miniature' for sport - is only mentioned 3 times in the report and always incidentally.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Seems odd that Colin Moynihan - then minister/'miniature' for sport - is only mentioned 3 times in the report and always incidentally.

Thatcher and Ingham don't get much coverage either do they?

 

[Garek]

On page 7 of the report. Good to see this finally out (albeit partly). And it certainly highlights the collective mindset of contempt the police have.

 

[DotCommunist]

there will be no apology from thatch, she probably can't even remember it anymore

 

[butchersapron]

Thatcher and Ingham don't get much coverage either do they?

Ingham only to highlight the gap between what he said the days following and what he said years later. She's there a fair bit but as 'the prime minister' - but even then it's mostly showing that she was informed of the dodginess of the police claims/behaviour but indicated that she was more concerned about supporting them and not allowing anything to tarnish their public reputation whilst not looking to 'protect' the top officer.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Is Cameron going to say anything other than 'I need to read the report'. Also, when asked if he would read the report from cover to cover, I notice he never actually said 'yes', just skirted around. What an arsehole.

Some wonk or other will condense it down to "Readers' Digest" proportions for him, of which he'll probably only read the executive summary.

 

[Fedayn]

Sheila Colman...

Sheila Coleman of the Hillsborough Justice Campaign welcomed the apology made by Prime Minister David Cameron.
She told BBC Radio 4’s World at One: “Of course (the apology) is welcome, because it is an acknowledgement that Liverpool, the bereaved families and the fans have been telling the truth for years and yet have been considered liars.”
She added: “Without doubt the inquest verdicts have to be quashed. David Cameron batted this back to the Attorney General. The Attorney General needs to surely, with the evidence presented to him today and the evidence previously presented to him, must quash the inquest verdicts in all cases.
“With the clear evidence that fans could have been saved — and the evidence is there — he needs to give all of those 96 victims their right under law, the right to a fair hearing. It needs a full inquiry into how they died.”
Asked if she believed criminal charges should now be brought, Ms Coleman said: “I do, because all the evidence today shows that South Yorkshire Police and people in South Yorkshire Police lied and operated a cover-up.”

I just got back to my section after leaving it in tears reading some of the stuff...........

As an Evertonian, as a socialist, as a football fan as a working class bloke i'm in awe and admiration at the families who refused to give in and refused to have their loved ones smeared in the way they were.

To paraphrase Trevor Hicks, today isn't justice, it's truth, the justice can now be looked at.... I fucking hope so, I really fucking hope so.

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[ViolentPanda]

and seems to have set a 20 year precedent whereby the police routinely lie and smear and the tabloids run with it.

That precedent has been in place for a hell of a lot longer than 20 years, unfortunately.
Hillsborough was and is a particularly awful manifestation of the phenomenon, though.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Every time his arrogant smug face pops up on e.g. Question Time, I hope that someone in the audience starts whatever their question is with a reference to this, and his credibility.

"Does the panel, including the liar and black propagandist Kelvin McKenzie, agree...?"

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Fucking hell.

Even as a confirmed cynic of all those in power, the scale of this shit is truly shocking

 

[Pickman's model]

when syp fuck things up they really fuck things up

 

[Garek]

Chief Constable of South Yorkshire issues apology

The statement added: “On that day, South Yorkshire Police failed the victims and families. The police lost control.

I think that's bollocks. It seems as though it wasn't that they lost control more they tried maintain a vice like grip on it at all costs.

 

[audiotech]

The BBC, Liverpool:

Hillsborough Report: Key Findings.

 

[Teaboy]

Chief Constable of South Yorkshire issues apology
I think that's bollocks. It seems as though it wasn't that they lost control more they tried maintain a vice like grip on it at all costs.

I mentioned it earlier but the interview he gave to the beeb was nothing short of disgusting, its like he was still defending the intial enquiry findings - loss of control, brave police let down by a couple of bad senior officers etc etc. He just acted like the massive cover up which his force perpetrated and had just been exposed for had never happened.

Long time ago, few bad apples, they all lied changed their evidence on legal advice, couldnt happen now etc etc etc. The whole interview was an insult to intelligence.

 

[Pickman's model]

Chief Constable of South Yorkshire issues apology



I think that's bollocks. It seems as though it wasn't that they lost control more they tried maintain a vice like grip on it at all costs.

Asked if a similar police cover-up could happen again, he said: “I don’t think that the standards that were employed then in any way correspond to the sorts of standards of openness and transparency that any of us would expect these days.”

hmmm. i'm not so sure. there's lots of police cover-ups - mark duggan, jean charles de menezes, azelle rodney...

 

[Pickman's model]

The BBC, Liverpool:

Hillsborough Report: Key Findings.

executive summary: the cover-up was worse than anyone had thought.

 

[Wilf]

In passing and off topic, those who love conspiracy theories should take note. It's nothing to do with aliens, vaccines and mind control, just powerful people twisting the levers of power in mundane but despicable ways. Just plain lying and making others lie on your behalf.

Same time, it's a staggering achievenment for the familes to get this far.

 

[Balbi]

Agreed Pickmans, this whole 'but this was ages ago' made me think of the Menezes, and the Tomlinson case. The difference being the media, and people's ability to record and share information, means its much harder to get away with. It doesn't stop them trying though.

I wonder how many SYP cases those amending officers were involved in are now really, really unsound.

 

[scifisam]

'Lost control' sounds like blaming the fans again, because what is he saying they lost control of but the fans?

 

[Treacle Toes]

'Lost control' sounds like blaming the fans again, because what is he saying they lost control of but the fans?

This.

Also, where is mention of the purposeful attempt at a cover up by altering/editing statements?

 

[DotCommunist]

strange that, the Beeb news seems to be leading with camerons apology. Rather than the admission of a total coverup by syp.

 

[Teaboy]

I mentioned it earlier but the interview he gave to the beeb was nothing short of disgusting, its like he was still defending the intial enquiry findings - loss of control, brave police let down by a couple of bad senior officers etc etc. He just acted like the massive cover up which his force perpetrated and had just been exposed for had never happened.

Long time ago, few bad apples, they all lied changed their evidence on legal advice, couldnt happen now etc etc etc. The whole interview was an insult to intelligence.

The more I think about this interview the more angry I'm getting. The reaction of anyone normal to this whole event will be one of total shock and disgust, you could even hear MP's gasping as Cameron read out all the details, but not the chief of sy police, he really didnt appear to give much of a shit, why?

Well partly because he already knew and has done for years but also because he doesnt really care, they only thing he cares about is the repuatation of the force which is exactly the thinking which motavated the original cover-up.

Have they changed? Have they fuck.

 

[Pickman's model]

strange that, the Beeb news seems to be leading with camerons apology. Rather than the admission of a total coverup by syp.

i don't think it's strange at all.

 

[N_igma]

Can I say thanks to the fans of other clubs who have stood behind the victims and families every step of the way.

 

[Pickman's model]

what i want to know is, what happened to the person who lived by the archway roundabout who, for years, had a justice for the 96 poster in their window? must have been seen by hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people.

 

[Balbi]

Andy Burnham must be feeling justified today in fucking off the thirty year rule and setting up the independent panel.