Death following arrest: Sean Rigg

[Pickman's model]

Answer the fucking question or fuck off.

i'm rather surprised you decided to take this attitude with a source which actually supported what you were saying. in the light of that, perhaps you'd care to reconsider your fucking pisspoor behaviour.

 

[detective-boy]

i'm rather surprised you decided to take this attitude with a source which actually supported what you were saying. in the light of that, perhaps you'd care to reconsider your fucking pisspoor behaviour.

I've reconsidered.

Fuck off, you supercillious prick.

 

[detective-boy]

Oh!, Sorry you're right I was over exaggerating.

Missed that. If it really was three months out of order than that is worthy of serious questions being asked and I doubt that nayone can justify it not being picked up within a much shorter time.

 

[Pickman's model]

I've reconsidered.

Fuck off, you supercillious prick.

i've previously found mrs m a good judge of character but i fear in your case she's made an error

 

[el-ahrairah]

FYI, this case has finally reached the inquest stage.

 

[CH1]

FYI, this case has finally reached the inquest stage.

I mentioned it at the Church Urban Fund meeting at Karibu on Tuesday. The (Christian) policeman opposite me didn't flinch. Don't know how some of these guys sleep at night!

 

[el-ahrairah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-18595637

copper lying in court. well i never.

 

[CH1]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-18595637

copper lying in court. well i never.

Did they test him for drugs (Sulpiride, Haloperidol, Olanzaline - you know psychiatric drugs. I got injected like that in the Charter Nightingale at Lissom Grove, and that's a posh people's hospital. The doctors at the police station could have done anything - especially if on an ATOS contract. ATOS probably requires their doctors to piss all over the Hippocratic Oath as an initiation ceremony!)

 

[el-ahrairah]

i doubt it. coppers don't tend to administrate drugs. kickings, asphixiation, brutal restraint techniques etc etc.

 

[CH1]

i doubt it. coppers don't tend to administrate drugs. kickings, asphixiation, brutal restraint techniques etc etc.

No - I got strip searched in Brixton Police Station whilst a "rookie" Lambeth Councillor in 1994.
They thought I was gay (never!) - and took me in and strip searched me.
I won't go on - but why does being gay make you a candidate for strip searching?
The pair who arrested me must have been into public humiliation (in the cells that is) - or maybe they just wanted a peek at what was in my underwear!

 

[el-ahrairah]

could be. humiliation was (is?) a fairly traditional tactic by all accounts.

 

[CH1]

No - I got strip searched in Brixton Police Station whilst a "rookie" Lambeth Councillor in 1994. The pair who arrested me must have been into public humiliation (in the cells that is) - or maybe they just wanted a peek at what was in my underwear!

I also remember being shocked that there seemed to be a stream of (very) young black men - 13,14,15 - going past the door of MY cell presumably for the same treatment.
The arresting officer donned rubber gloves.
I was told to take off all my clothes, part my buttocks, then "Open It!", and they peered into the interior of my body using a police-issue torch. I was so annoyed I shouted "You perverts!" at which they said "Get dressed" and escorted me to a back entrance to the Police Station and more or less pushed me out the door. I demanded the custody record, at which they said "Get it from the front desk!"
The front desk refused to give me the custody record (not yet written presumably). They would post it they said.
I was so shocked and angry that I made a complaint on council-headed note paper (copy to Cllr Marietta Crichton Stuart-Lib Dem chief whip). If I can find it I will put it up. Meanwhile here is the response I got:

 

[two sheds]

You might want to take your name and address off that?

The call handlers' performance was also less than spectacular:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...who-later-died-in-police-custody-7893465.html

Call handler Maurice Gluck, who is recorded telling the hostel manager, Angela Wood, to go and complain to her MP is she was unhappy with the police response, told the jury that people often exaggerated about the seriousness of a situation and at the time he felt the hostel should have been able to cope with Mr Rigg’s psychosis.

Mr Gluck admitted that he had behaved unprofessionally towards Ms Wood, who last week broke down in court as the recordings of her desperate 999 calls were played in court.

Mr Gluck was asked by the Southwark coroner, Dr Andrew Harris, why he did not recognise that a call from a mental health expert reporting a disturbed mentally ill man who clearly posed a risk to public safety required an immediate police response.
Mr Gluck admitted that “in hindsight” he could have made it clearer that this should be treated as an immediate problem but insisted that he had acted properly when grading the call from Ms Wood as ‘no police response required’.

In a tense exchange, the barrister acting for the Rigg family suggested to Mr Gluck that his failure to properly grade the call was down to his irritation with Ms Wood.

Leslie Thomas QC said: “The reality is that you were narked because that woman [Angela Wood] was challenging your authority... she asked for your name... you became aggrieved that she was going to complain about you.”

 

[Plumdaff]

There is a real problem with how to get ill people to places of safety. Sadly I think a proportion of people will always require assistance from the police so we need a huge improvement in training and behaviour, at the moment it's a lottery. I know db doesn't post here any more but I do want to point out that excited delirium is a controversial diagnoses only recognised by police forces in the UK and USA, usually put forward only by their defence teams in deaths in custody cases.

 

[CH1]

You might want to take your name and address off that?

If you are referring to me that is precisely why I put it up.
My address was at Lambeth Town Hall and I complained with the knowledge and approval of my party group on the council at that time (1994).
Of course the Police say they now have cameras everywhere, so such things cannot happen any more.
Can they?

 

[CH1]

There is a real problem with how to get ill people to places of safety. Sadly I think a proportion of people will always require assistance from the police so we need a huge improvement in training and behaviour, at the moment it's a lottery. I know db doesn't post here any more but I do want to point out that excited delirium is a controversial diagnoses only recognised by police forces in the UK and USA, usually put forward only by their defence teams in deaths in custody cases.

Of course it doesn't help that Lambeth Social Services closed the Effra Day Centre (for the Mentally ill) - another stroke of cost-saving genius from Donatus if memory serves.
The correct procedure at the moment if you are in mental distress is to attend A & E. We warned you at the time!!!

 

[two sheds]

If you are referring to me that is precisely why I put it up.

fair play

 

[el-ahrairah]

Of course it doesn't help that Lambeth Social Services closed the Effra Day Centre (for the Mentally ill) - another stroke of cost-saving genius from Donatus if memory serves.
The correct procedure at the moment if you are in mental distress is to attend A & E. We warned you at the time!!!

of course, if you are suffering from psychosis, in my experience at least, one doesn't feel it necessary to attend A&E.

i would also like to say that the standard procedure on risk assessments for mentally ill people with a history of offending is, should an episode / relapse occur: "However if the situation escalates,such as noticeable agitation,violence towards staff and deterioration of his mental health leadig to life threatening situations,staff must call the police to intervene and then inform the care team of the incident and all actions to be taken" - a direct quote from a standard form approved by Supporting People, probation, and the Health Services.

By ignoring this for many hours the police created a situation where SR was even more agitated, and then treated him appallingly rather than as a sick man.

 

[Pickman's model]

A Metropolitan police constable involved in physically restraining a man who died soon after in custody has been accused at an inquest of telling “a pack of lies” after photographic evidence confirmed he held the detainee's face down for far longer than he claimed.
PC Richard Glasson was one of three officers involved in restraining Sean Rigg, an acutely mentally unwell man, who died in Brixton police station in south London in August 2008.
PC Glasson was accused of using “inappropriate and excessive” physical force on Mr Rigg's back which could have caused him to asphyxiate.
PC Glasson, giving evidence for a second full-day at the inquest in Southwark Coroner's Court, denied holding down Mr Rigg using his knee, elbow or knuckles.
He insisted that he had only used the palm of his hand, despite being shown a photo of a large, fresh bruise to Rigg's back, taken after his death.
Several eye witnesses have told the jury that they saw an officer with his knee in Sean's back for several minutes. After several minutes of watching the incident unfold in a housing estate in Balham, one witness took two digital photos, four minutes apart, both showing the restraint. PC Glasson had claimed the restraint only lasted 30 to 60 seconds.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ck-of-lies-over-death-in-custody-7899857.html

 

[CH1]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ck-of-lies-over-death-in-custody-7899857.html

When i got arrested at the Oval for cottaging in 1985 PC Nugent (aged 20 -under the age of consent at the time) told a pack of lies. The case was dropped by the police just before the start of the trail (at the Bailey incidentally)
I was bound over in the sum of £25 to keep the peace.
PC Nugent was kicked out of the force about 5 years later for beating a black man up in the back of a Police van.
Tell me about it!
I have the cuttings!

 

[el-ahrairah]

they can't even get their story straight for the inquest. also, callous fuckers.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...o-sean-rigg-despite-cctv-footage-7904328.html

 

[el-ahrairah]

My colleague complaining today that the Chief Inspector Matt Bell MBE has been talking on the stand about a protocol they had with SR's hostel for sharing information and care planning. She was somewhat surprised by this seeing as she has records that show that Lambeth nick had been ignoring requests for a meeting to put in place protocols of that sort for six years. Lying sod. She was able to collar him afterwards and ask him why he was fibbing, before being ignored for a week until (and i believe that she threatened to go to the media with the evidence) he has now booked a date for a meeting to put in place the joint protocols that her mentally ill clients need for their own protection and the protection of the community in Brixton. and all it took was one killing, four years, one perjury, and a threat.

Jury likely to return today or tomorrow.

 

[el-ahrairah]

Verdict expected at 2.30. No-one here expects any guilt to be found, despite numerous coppers lying under oath. But you never know.

 

[el-ahrairah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-19049173

I am informed that something called a section 24 notice was served by the coroner at the beginning of the inquest, meaning that the jury were unable to return a verdict of unlawful killing. this narrative verdict was about as harsh a response as was legally permissible, and should allow the family to file a civil lawsuit.

 

[Brixton Hatter]

So the police used "unsuitable force" before his death, but still cannot be held responsible for his death. Sounds familiar...

 

[colacubes]

Piece on Newsnight about this now.

 

[el-ahrairah]

PC Glasson, PC Forward, CI Bell all told porkies under oath but it's PC Paul White that gets the blame, presumably because he admitted it.

This is amusing for a number of reasons. I must try and meet officer White sometime.

 

[Brixton Hatter]

Four years today that the police killed Sean Rigg in Brixton Police station.

There is a march/protest and memorial service tonight. 6.30pm at the town hall for the service, followed by a peaceful march to the police station at about 9pm. (There will also be a protest about the violent arrest outside the Ritzy on Sunday.)

More details here: http://www.facebook.com/events/453255738047315/

 

[Brixton Hatter]

About 150 people on the march tonight, from the town hall to the police station. I didn't get to the town hall meeting but people there were shown a new docu-film which included CCTV footage from Brixton police station on the night Sean Rigg was killed. It certainly seemed to have had an effect on many who watched it, given the conversations I had with people afterwards.

you can see the film at

http://vim eo.com/46132509 [use this link, remove the space in the URL]

Good to see a few urbanites there, and my old neighbour (who's had more than his fair share at the hands of lambeth police). We walked the short distance down the high street to the police station with people chanting and loads of journos and photographers in tow. Lots of support from motorists and passers by. People linked arms outside the police station and Sean Rigg's sister read out the names of the police who caused his death. It was heartbreaking. Sean Rigg's mother (i think) made the point that the police station is going to be refitted at the cost of £10m, but that the Met had been stalling over spending £4m to fit cameras in cells. People attached photos and candles to the tree outside the police station. The woman who witnessed the violent arrest outside the Ritzy on Sunday made a speech describing what she'd seen, and said she was going to hand in a complaint to the police. The crowd swarmed up the steps into the police station after her and filled the lobby.....there's still people there now.

Lots of high-ranking coppers were there talking to press and attempting to reason with people, but they got a fair bit of verbal abuse. It was all peaceful though.

Photos to come...

 

[Brixton Hatter]

Apols for slightly poor quality - only had the pocket camera today. (Also managed to upload them in a way which meant I couldn't subsequently reduce the size, doh, ah well....)

Outside the Town Hall:

Outside the police station

Crowd enters police station to deliver the complaint about Sunday's arrest:

Memorials to Sean Rigg on the tree outside the police station. RIP.

http://imgur.com/a/gNWnb#ozfm6