Calais: Migration and the UK Border

[SpookyFrank]

Christ don't ever read the comment thread on a Daily Express news story about migration.

On one article alone there are people suggesting half a dozen different methods of genocide as a means of resolving the problem, with 'shoot them all' proving the most popular.

This is particuarly special:

Not a big fan of Hitler but the bloke had the right idea. Round them up stick them in work camps and leave them there until there country sorts itself out

 

[frogwoman]

I know getting upset at those rags as a cause of this shit rather than a symptom of capitalism and govt policy is kind of liberal bollocks thats been debunked many times over the years. But i have developed a particular hatred for the mail and express (and sometimes the fuckin mirror) over sll these middle eastern horror stories. The mail in particular keeps posting isis propaganda as clickbait and reporting on the minutiae of what they're doing like that stupid 'benefit office' crap. Its horrible sensationalised shit and the stuff they're printing now is the height of hypocrisy given the tone of their coverage during the last few years

Although some of the comments (some of which banged on about jews and appeared to be written by nazi sympathisers) on that solidarity for refugees group kind of made me lose the will to live today as well

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

I know getting upset at those rags as a cause of this shit rather than a symptom of capitalism and govt policy is kind of liberal bollocks thats been debunked many times over the years. But i have developed a particular hatred for the mail and express (and sometimes the fuckin mirror) over sll these middle eastern horror stories. The mail in particular keeps posting isis propaganda as clickbait and reporting on the minutiae of what they're doing like that stupid 'benefit office' crap. Its horrible sensationalised shit and the stuff they're printing now is the height of hypocrisy given the tone of their coverage during the last few years

Although some of the comments (some of which banged on about jews and appeared to be written by nazi sympathisers) on that solidarity for refugees group kind of made me lose the will to live today as well

I wouldn't get too depressed about what you read in those comments section. I get the feeling there is a lot of sock-puppeting from far right posters, who post obsessively their sociopathic fantasies. It's rare to meet someone who is that far gone in real life.

Most people are very easily swayed by compassion when they see the reality of another person's suffering. That photo of the child dead on a beach seems to have really changed the terms of the debate. Those are the people to focus on. Ignore the babblings of online fascists.

 

[Miss-Shelf]

I am in a team day and people are misinformed about how many refugees UK hosts
I must not loose my temper
Esp with my colleague who is a refugee herself and other colleagues who were born in other countries
But misinformation is misinformation

 

[treelover]

I wouldn't get too depressed about what you read in those comments section. I get the feeling there is a lot of sock-puppeting from far right posters, who post obsessively their sociopathic fantasies. It's rare to meet someone who is that far gone in real life.

Most people are very easily swayed by compassion when they see the reality of another person's suffering. That photo of the child dead on a beach seems to have really changed the terms of the debate. Those are the people to focus on. Ignore the babblings of online fascists.

I wonder if the poor child had been less European looking, would the dreadful images have had the same impact?

 

[Treacle Toes]

Darker skinned African babies/children who have drowned were also shown, weeks ago in fact. I won't link to a pic. Just remembering it hurts too much.

 

[weltweit]

I think the impact of the image of Aylan al-Kurdi cannot be understated, and I think it came to light primarily because of unmoderated social media. Traditional news outlets, many at least, have been protecting us from reality with statements like "images too distressing to show" for far too long.

 

[Manter]

I know getting upset at those rags as a cause of this shit rather than a symptom of capitalism and govt policy is kind of liberal bollocks thats been debunked many times over the years. But i have developed a particular hatred for the mail and express (and sometimes the fuckin mirror) over sll these middle eastern horror stories. The mail in particular keeps posting isis propaganda as clickbait and reporting on the minutiae of what they're doing like that stupid 'benefit office' crap. Its horrible sensationalised shit and the stuff they're printing now is the height of hypocrisy given the tone of their coverage during the last few years

Although some of the comments (some of which banged on about jews and appeared to be written by nazi sympathisers) on that solidarity for refugees group kind of made me lose the will to live today as well

The Mail has a long history of saying x is disgusting and now let me tell you in extended detail exactly how disgusting with photographs. I think half the readers are so reactionary because they are absolutely terrified of their own psyches- it all reads a bit 'protests too much'

 

[Treacle Toes]

I think the impact of the image of Aylan al-Kurdi cannot be understated, and I think it came to light primarily because of unmoderated social media. Traditional news outlets, many at least, have been protecting us from reality with statements like "images too distressing to show" for far too long.

Massive attempt by the papers to actually sell some as well, the very papers who are also demonising others like this family. Cunts.

 

[Manter]

Darker skinned African babies/children who have drowned were also shown, weeks ago in fact. I won't link to a pic. Just remembering it hurts too much.

There have been photos of pale skinned dead toddlers before too. i am not sure why this one child affected people so much tbh. Not sure it is as simple as racism though

 

[frogwoman]

I wouldn't get too depressed about what you read in those comments section. I get the feeling there is a lot of sock-puppeting from far right posters, who post obsessively their sociopathic fantasies. It's rare to meet someone who is that far gone in real life.

Most people are very easily swayed by compassion when they see the reality of another person's suffering. That photo of the child dead on a beach seems to have really changed the terms of the debate. Those are the people to focus on. Ignore the babblings of online fascists.

So who is posting up this stuff then? Is it all people in the organised far right with multiple accounts as i dont really know people as ex like that IRL.

 

[Treacle Toes]

There have been photos of pale skinned dead toddlers before too. i am not sure why this one child affected people so much tbh. Not sure it is as simple as racism though

I wasn't suggesting it was . I was responding to the post above mine.

Although I do think for some people there is some going on.

I think it's about timing myself.

 

[Manter]

I haven't seen much shit at all in the solidarity group I am part of. Some naivity, some genuine questions that betrayed a lack of understanding, but no nazi/antisenitic etc stuff. We haven't even seen many trolls recently, whereas in the first few weeks of the group we had loads!

E2a frogwoman

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

So who is posting up this stuff then? Is it all people in the organised far right with multiple accounts as i dont really know people as ex like that IRL.

That's always been my assumption, yes. I'm sure I remember coming across a thread on a certain message board that'll remain unnamed (let's just call it shitty y-fronts), in which people were discussing that as a tactic. Not a very good tactic, if you ask me.

 

[frogwoman]

I haven't seen much shit at all in the solidarity group I am part of. Some naivity, some genuine questions that betrayed a lack of understanding, but no nazi/antisenitic etc stuff. We haven't even seen many trolls recently, whereas in the first few weeks of the group we had loads!

E2a frogwoman

Which group are u in. Pm me

This was an events page for a demo

 

[Manter]

I wasn't suggesting it was.

I think it's about timing myself.

I was thinking aloud really. And there is some racism around the whole thing- think of the immediate response to the Syrian refugees who 'look like us', vs the lethargic response to Sudanese refugees. Or the Slovak crap about only taking Christians and the Hungarian pm spouting crap about Europe losing its Christian identity, and it being a German problem.. There is a lot of racism and historical crap being played out.

I just wonder why this child so much. Something to do with the policeman picking him up and cradling the body?

 

[Manter]

Which group are u in. Pm me

This was an events page for a demo

Done x

 

[weltweit]

.. I just wonder why this child so much. Something to do with the policeman picking him up and cradling the body?

I think the first image of him lying unnaturally on the sand, face in the water, with the policeman standing nearby has more impact, it is an unnatural pose for a little boy, it emphasises how tiny and defenceless he was.

I haven't seen any pictures of earlier victims, sometimes one just galvanises the imagination. There were tweets with the words migrant and refugee and immigrant crossed out and the single word Child repeated in their place. I found that quite persuasive.

 

[Sprocket.]

I just wonder why this child so much. Something to do with the policeman picking him up and cradling the body?

Wars produce some grisly, inhumane images and we have as always become desensitised to them. The war in Vietnam was no different and the images of which there are countless thousands are a matter of record but three stand out, the self imolating Buddhist monk, the execution of the Vietcong member by the head of the police and the plight of Kim Phuc running over the bridge after the napalm attack all shook the world's conscience. It only takes one tragedy in a million to strike a chord of compassion. The sight of the policeman gently cradling Aylan may create a wave of action and lead to something good out of this tragic event. All those braying politicians complaining about refugees should hang their heads in shame.
Some of us could envisage these events when Blair and Bush started a vindictive, needless war and we can trace the conflicts in the Middle East back to pre Sykes-Picot. We in the West have been marauding, imperialist bastards. It's about time we took responsibility for our actions.

 

[Pickman's model]

Wars produce some grisly, inhumane images and we have as always become desensitised to them. The war in Vietnam was no different and the images of which there are countless thousands are a matter of record but three stand out, the self isolating Buddhist monk, the execution of the Vietcong member by the head of the police and the plight of Kim Phuc running over the bridge after the napalm attack all shook the world's conscience. It only takes one tragedy in a million to strike a chord of compassion. The sight of the policeman gently cradling Aylan may create a wave of action and lead to something good out of this tragic event. All those braying politicians complaining about refugees should hang their heads in shame.
Some of us could envisage these events when Blair and Bush started a vindictive, needless war and we can trace the conflicts in the Middle East back to pre Sykes-Picot. We in the West have been marauding, imperialist bastards. It's about time we took responsibility for our actions.

surely 4?

Spoiler

 

[Sprocket.]

surely 4?

Spoiler

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I have seen this photograph since the end of the Vietnam war, sadly I am old enough to remember the others from the Daily Mirror. Was this as widely published PM, or was it censored at the time?

 

[Pickman's model]

I have seen this photograph since the end of the Vietnam war, sadly I am old enough to remember the others from the Daily Mirror. Was this as widely published PM, or was it censored at the time?

it's been pretty widely published: but don't have the time today to go through its history

 

[Manter]

Wars produce some grisly, inhumane images and we have as always become desensitised to them. The war in Vietnam was no different and the images of which there are countless thousands are a matter of record but three stand out, the self isolating Buddhist monk, the execution of the Vietcong member by the head of the police and the plight of Kim Phuc running over the bridge after the napalm attack all shook the world's conscience. It only takes one tragedy in a million to strike a chord of compassion. The sight of the policeman gently cradling Aylan may create a wave of action and lead to something good out of this tragic event. All those braying politicians complaining about refugees should hang their heads in shame.
Some of us could envisage these events when Blair and Bush started a vindictive, needless war and we can trace the conflicts in the Middle East back to pre Sykes-Picot. We in the West have been marauding, imperialist bastards. It's about time we took responsibility for our actions.

Interestingly you mention those photos and I can 'see' all of them.

Balkan conflict I can see the emaciated prisoners behind barbed wire, and that close up of a bus window with rain running down it and a child's face and hand.

 

[Manter]

surely 4?

Spoiler

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I wasn't alive for the Vietnam war, but the other three are in my head. This one isn't

Funny what lodges/resonates and what doesn't

 

[nino_savatte]

I see this kind of thing on comments threads quite a lot and it's indicative of the level of ignorance that resides on the anti-immigration right.

This comment was found on Caroline Lucas's article on The Guardian website.
We need to welcome many more refugees than Cameron suggests | Caroline Lucas

doseofrealism Greg Kaye
1h ago

0 1
Indeed..and the largely male population should stay and fight

Yeah, it's that fucking simple. I'd really like take some of these keyboard warriors and drop them in Kobane and see how long they last.

 

[nino_savatte]

Can you believe these compassionless wankers have organised a "no more refugees" petition?

From the same Guardian comments thread as above.

Gerry4
15h ago
12
Sign the Petition on migration to the UK:

Petition: Stop allowing immigrants into the UK./

I'd happily chip in to pay for this cunt's passage to Libya or some other war zone.

 

[Libertad]

Can you believe these compassionless wankers have organised a "no more refugees" petition?

From the same Guardian comments thread as above.


I'd happily chip in to pay for this cunt's passage to Libya or some other war zone.

43,000 signatures Bunch o'cunts.

 

[SpookyFrank]

French police fired 300 tear gas grenades into the jungle in Calais last night. Many of those attacked will have been children, pregnant women, or those too ill or wounded to flee. Many will have already been traumatised by war.

How did we get to the point where the police force of a supposedly democratic, civilised nation is quite happy to admit to using chemical weapons for large-scale collective punishment? And does anyone want to pick a fight with me over the phrase 'ACAB' today?

A spokesman from the police trade union said that « almost 300 » gas grenade rounds had been fired. Gas was fired at first at the entrance of the jungle where people were gathering and onto the highway, but as the night continued police fired increasing amounts of gas deep into the jungle.

Although it was rendered less directly effective and powerful by the high wind speed, this did spread it around further. Once again, the Eritrean and Ethiopian section of the camp was heavily hit, being blanketed with gas several times. Gas grenades were also fired into some Afghan sections of the jungle far from any people who were protesting. The level of tear gas used was unprecedented. Hundreds of people were driven out of thier homes and living spaces by this indiscriminate use of chemical weaponary.

A Night of Collective Defiance

Have tried to find other news sources for this but nobody seems to give a fuck

 

[cesare]

Kinell

 

[crossthebreeze]

Fuck.
Thanks for posting that SpookyFranky.