Anarchist Bookfair 2013 October 19th

[FridgeMagnet]

Jesus, I should hope that nobody here would be involved in abusing trans women.

I would also hope not.

I'm more interested to hear what happened after this incident though.

 

[revol68]

Sorry, which "those involved" are we talking about here?

Not the "rape apologists", the "genocidal murder of half the population as a structural metaphor apologists".

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Not the "rape apologists", the "genocidal murder of half the population as a structural metaphor apologists".

I'm finding that a little difficult to turn into something referring to the real world. Could you just say?

 

[revol68]

I'm finding that a little difficult to turn into something referring to the real world. Could you just say?

That's because the whole episode had no reference to the real world.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Okay so that's a "what oh never mind it was just made up Internet bullshit" then.

 

[revol68]

Okay so that's a "what oh never mind" then.

It's hardly that cryptic

It was part of the ones who ended up chanting Kill All Men that were gleefully asking about going "twollin", as my mate retold it.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

It's hardly that cryptic

It was part of the ones who ended up chanting Kill All Men that were gleefully asking about going "twollin", as my mate retold it.

They deserved it?

 

[DrRingDing]

That's because the whole episode had no reference to the real world.

I sat around the next day with a disparate bunch of anarchos who weren't together at the bookfair. They all were bemused with different scenes they witnessed.

The twats making a scene sound like Internet anarchos and/or state actors.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Still interested to hear what the longer term effect was.

 

[DrRingDing]

Still interested to hear what the longer term effect was.

Of what?

 

[revol68]

They deserved it?

Deserved what?

I'm saying that they came up to a person my friend was speaking to and said "are we going trolling", a short time after they got themselves in a shouting match with the Catholic Worker guy and chums.

 

[DaveCinzano]

Of what?

Global warming

 

[Nigel Irritable]

I'm finding that a little difficult to turn into something referring to the real world. Could you just say?

In practice, it will probably add some pressure on bookfair organisers to establish a "safer spaces" policy.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

In practice, it will probably add some pressure on bookfair organisers to establish a "safer spaces" policy.

I'd guessed something like that yeah.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

Still interested to hear what the longer term effect was.

To early to say, I would think?

 

[FridgeMagnet]

To early to say, I would think?

Not really IMO, if there's a change it won't be from this.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

Not really IMO, if there's a change it won't be from this.

You've lost me now. Past my bedtime.

 

[DaveCinzano]

You've lost me now. Past my bedtime.

Coming soon: Fridge & Butchers Present... Gnome Sweet Gnome

 

[sunnysidedown]

some of the same people were blowing a gasket on twitter because one of the Novara people said he'd like to get Russell Brand on. The response wasn't "that's a good idea, but it's vital that the interviewer is a feminist who can raise Brand's views on gender while arguing a hard line pro women's liberation point of view". It was a bunch of stuff about how even raising the possibility was "upsetting" people, and listening to him would "hurt us". It then escalated towards an explicit demand for No Platform. There were also rather blunt hints that the Novara dude shouldn't be arguing his point of view on account of his penis.

That was a very interesting interaction, I think it was Butchers (apols if not) who made the Heathers comment on another thread, they played it out impeccably.

 

[krink]

just like when 'heathers' was originally mentioned, the above mention reminds me what a canny little film it is. so here's the whole thing;

 

[lazyhack]

Plus did you give the private eye guy the lowdown on what happened at the boot sale?

No, the cartoonist went, talked to people and wrote down their response.

On the Millbank generation of twitter full communists (who really aren't communists), I never understand why after they swarm on someone who breaks orthodoxy, calling them a cunt or telling them to kill themselves in a total group frenzy, their twitter exchanges between themselves read like this;

"I just wanted to say that you're amazing & right."

"thank you <3 & all solidarity appreciated so much xxx"

It all looks like a weird cult from the outside, people in their mid twenties and early thirties treating politics basically like Myspace drama.

 

[Bun]

A number do seem genuinely damaged individuals with a pack of self indulgent narcissists feeding off them by proxy. If this really takes hold on the left it will have even less chance of conecting to the outside real world.

 

[lazyhack]

A number do seem genuinely damaged individuals with a pack of self indulgent narcissists feeding off them by proxy. If this really takes hold on the left it will have even less chance of conecting to the outside real world.

The Trots really dodged a bullet when they failed to pull significant numbers out of the student movement in 2010.

 

[Nice one]

On the Millbank generation of twitter full communists (who really aren't communists), I never understand why after they swarm on someone who breaks orthodoxy, calling them a cunt or telling them to kill themselves in a total group frenzy, their twitter exchanges between themselves read like this;

"I just wanted to say that you're amazing & right."

"thank you <3 & all solidarity appreciated so much xxx"

It all looks like a weird cult from the outside, people in their mid twenties and early thirties treating politics basically like Myspace drama.

libcom?

 

[lazyhack]

libcom?

It makes libcom look like a golden age.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

There are some great people who came out of the student movement also.

 

[DaveCinzano]

There are some great people who came out of the student movement also.

Though TBF some said that about the AYN

Okay, no one said that about the AYN.

 

[Pickman's model]

Though TBF some said that about the AYN

Okay, no one said that about the AYN.

there are some people who came out of the ayn

 

[andysays]

No, the cartoonist went, talked to people and wrote down their response...

and then he threw that away and drew his cartoon based on the most obvious cliche, stereotypical shit he could come up with, eh?

 

[lazyhack]

and then he threw that away and drew his cartoon based on the most obvious cliche, stereotypical shit he could come up with, eh?

But people have admitted to saying those things to him "standing outside shops" etc.

Not difficult to find obvious cliche, stereotypical shit at the bootfair mind.