Alex Callinicos/SWP vs Laurie Penny/New Statesman Facebook handbags

[Bakunin]

Still, nice to see her surfing in the wake of the EDL, is there nothing she won't do to further herself?

In short, no.

 

[treelover]

no mention of this protest on national broadcast media.

 

[Firky]

I know a couple of people there and they're saying everyone was kettled (in the loosest sense of the word), but they could see no groups penned in or anything kicking off. People are starting to go home now and there's only been the odd scuffle.

Dunno how I C&P texts :/

 

[cesare]

She'll be snooping on this thread later, for more fodder.

 

[Frances Lengel]

I can't really see how a ketteling situation is an ideal place to conduct interviews anyway, hemmed in like battery hens, no room to take your dictaphone out or write down a dramatised and not entirely accurate transcript. More likely she's stuck in a pen with a bunch of EDL lads and is pretending to be performing interviews for her twitter audience.

Still, nice to see her surfing in the wake of the EDL, is there nothing she won't do to further herself?

She's utterly repugnant.

Might be some lasses as well.

 

[frogwoman]

She'll be snooping on this thread later, for more fodder.

Fuck those who want to fight violence with violence.

 

[cesare]

Fuck those who want to fight violence with violence.

And this is why we can't have nice things

 

[SpineyNorman]

#EDL almost broke through the fence. Some screaming 'kill all the traitors.' I got spat on and beer thrown in my face. 'Left wing scum!'

Hmm.

I think people might be misinterpreting this - it is in fact Laurie coming out as a right winger. We all knew it was coming, it was just a matter of time.

Laurie's EDL mates almost broke through the fence and as she came to the front with them the antifascists saw her and decided the EDL could wait for a minute - they had a smartest kid from a smart school to deal with - and gobbed at her and threw beer. So she ends the tweet by calling them left wing scum - after all, some of them think it's acceptable - obligatory even - to fight far right violence with violence and they don't appear to want to doff their caps at her so fuck them.

 

[Firky]

I can imagine the 'interview'

LP: Hello, I am Laurie Penny, you may have heard of me.
EDL: Who?

 

[Bakunin]

I can imagine the 'interview'

LP: Hello, I am Laurie Penny, you may have heard of me.
EDL: Who?

Penny Dreadful: 'What? Don't you all know who I am?!'

 

[ViolentPanda]

Fuck those who want to fight violence with violence.

Would she or wouldn't she, though? That is the question.

 

[Nice one]

i saw owen jones and clare solomon today do i win a prize?

 

[Firky]

And where are their heads?

 

[Nice one]

i also stopped redwatch guy taking photos of student lefties, i was on a roll!

 

[J Ed]

I can see the advantages for her interviewing the EDL, it's not as if many of them are going to read the New Statesman and come across her article misquoting them...

 

[Steel Icarus]

https://twitter.com/PennyRed/status/339128401313034240

 

[weepiper]

https://twitter.com/PennyRed/status/339128401313034240

Keeerrrrist.

 

[ddraig]

I know a couple of people there and they're saying everyone was kettled (in the loosest sense of the word), but they could see no groups penned in or anything kicking off. People are starting to go home now and there's only been the odd scuffle.

Dunno how I C&P texts :/

tried long press on the text and then select/copy all?

 

[cesare]

i saw owen jones and clare solomon today do i win a prize?

There was a classic tweet from one of anti-fa earlier. Along the lines of squaring up to EDL and Owen Jones making speech behind us.

 

[Balbi]

Laurie gets given a stark reminder that she's not the omnihuman she thinks she is.​

Laurie Penny @PennyRed

Just ignore Rod Liddle. He's a sad, vicious troll who wants your attention. Don't give it to him​

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AvaVidal @AvaVidal

I'd appreciate you not telling us how to react to racist comments@PennyRed. Our communities are under attack & ignoring it won't stop that.​

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Laurie Penny @PennyRed

I'm not saying ignore racist comments, @AvaVidal. There's clearly a crisis underway. But Liddle is just trying to wind the internet up.​

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AvaVidal @AvaVidal

Whatever he's trying to do@PennyRed makes no difference. The fact is the @spectator see fit to publish these comments& we're challenging it​

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Laurie Penny @PennyRed

Alright, sure, @AvaVidal.@spectator should certainly be ashamed of itself for making money off racist bilge that actively hurts people.​

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AvaVidal @AvaVidal

Probably best to take your lead from the people that are affected directly by that kind of language before dispensing advice@PennyRed​

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Laurie Penny @PennyRed

Noted, @AvaVidal, but I'm not personally unaffected by the saturating of the media landscape I work in with casual racism.​

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Jude Elliott-Jones@judeinlondon
@PennyRed @AvaVidal Laurie, you’re too smart to try and compare your secondary experience of racism with a PoC’s. Come correct please.

 

[Favelado]

Laurie is constantly involved in spats. I know Owen Jones gets lots of stick here too but, lordy, I think there's a world of difference between them. Laurie is a poor journalist and a worse activist.

 

[sihhi]

Hardly a spat more a middle-class tiff.

I read it as a LP chance to stack up the apologies about racism to underscore those credentials.

Laurie Penny ‏@PennyRed
I feel that I've learned something from what you said, anyway, @AvaVidal, and I've apologised publicly because of it.

 

[Balbi]

Great how she didn't attach it to the conversation, so it's a lazy barrier to stop people seeing how her 'voice of the movement' schtick just got her schooled

Jude was particularly kind.

 

[rosecore]

Gives a platform to the EDL. Tells people to ignore Rod Liddle. And people wonder why she gets so much criticism.

 

[Balbi]

VICTORY!

https://t.co/G85cDxbVjJ

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Laurie Penny@PennyRed
It's a really stressful, horrid time, @AvaVidal. Sometimes I need to take deep breaths and remember it isn't about me. Sorry again.

Laurie Penny @PennyRed
Having your privilege checked hurts. Ow. My feelings right now. They are so important let me tell you.

 

[sihhi]

Laurie Penny@PennyRed
Having your privilege checked hurts. Ow. My feelings right now. They are so important let me tell you.

This taking the piss?

"Ow. My feelings right now."

I read it as 'Fuck feelings'

If feelings don't matter what exactly was the reason LP left this thread?

 

[Balbi]

If you get your privilege checked by a POC it's ok. When we did it, not so cool - just jealousy

 

[Nigel Irritable]

That was the moment this thread has been building towards for years now. There's a sort of sadistic pleasure in watching high profile intersectionalistas flagellate themselves. Its her acceptance that she was wrong to have an opinion and that she has no right to hurt feelings that brings the whole exchange towards privilege politics apotheosis.

 

[butchersapron]

God, she weasels exactly like articul8

 

[Nigel Irritable]

This taking the piss?

"Ow. My feelings right now."

I read it as 'Fuck feelings'

If feelings don't matter what exactly was the reason LP left this thread?

She's referring approvingly to the privilege politics cliche that people who've been called racists/sexists/homophobes, or had their "privilege" "checked" by a "PoC", have no right to feel hurt or insulted, just as they also have no right to argue back.