Abort 67 "intimidating protests" outside Blackfriars/London clinic

[tonysingh]

I live in Chatham and recently a group very similar to this have been out a couple of times, same sort of m.o with a few worrying differences, at least from my point of view.

They'll have the graphic imagery etc but they also have what appears to be dolls of fetuses and they were talking to girls who seemed clearly underage.

Might have to harass the fuck out of them if I see them again

 

[bluescreen]

This is probably the wrong place for it, being Missouri and all, but what the actual?

A Missouri Republican is pushing a bill that would allow a man who gets a woman pregnant to stop her from having an abortion. The measure would force a woman who wants an abortion to obtain written permission from the father first—unless she was the victim of "legitimate rape."

http://www.motherjones.com/politics...s-women-get-permission-father-having-abortion

 

[Dogsauce]

So as a bonus this bill would create circumstances where a women needing an abortion might be motivated to spuriously claim rape to get what they want, thus undermining those with genuine rape claims, who are already often accused of making stuff up. What a massively shitty bit of legislation. Are people going to have to prove 'legitimate rape' too? We already know how difficult that can be. Horrible.

 

[bluescreen]

Well, that's a corollary I hadn't thought of. It's bad enough that Brattin thinks women should have to get permission from a partner at all, let alone one from whom they may be separated, who may be abusive, or whom they don't know at all.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

This is probably the wrong place for it, being Missouri and all, but what the actual?

http://www.motherjones.com/politics...s-women-get-permission-father-having-abortion

Pretty sure that would be struck down by roe v wade.

 

[bluescreen]

Isn't Roe v Wade already wobbling? As I said, not sure this is the right thread.

 

[Citizen66]

I got spammed an email from one of the petition sites today (which always happens after I sign one for a few weeks, which puts me off signing any at all really) calling for the protests to be banned.

Do people protesting against protests they don't like not see any problem in asking for protests to be outlawed by the state?

 

[toggle]

Well, that's a corollary I hadn't thought of. It's bad enough that Brattin thinks women should have to get permission from a partner at all, let alone one from whom they may be separated, who may be abusive, or whom they don't know at all.

and unless they are forcing dna testing and publicising that every woman is seeking rape, how in the hell do they know the signatory is the 'father'? not freinds helping them out. where it's necessary for a woman to have rights over her own body, I'd not only accept a partner 'helping out' freindsby signing such bullshit permission forms, i'd actively encourage him to do so

Pretty sure that would be struck down by roe v wade.

eventually. in the meantime, they get to throw about time wasting bullshit.

 

[bluescreen]

Bullshit is the operative word. And make no mistake, it's not about the rights of the unborn, it's about controlling women.

 

[toggle]

I got spammed an email from one of the petition sites today (which always happens after I sign one for a few weeks, which puts me off signing any at all really) calling for the protests to be banned.

Do people protesting against protests they don't like not see any problem in asking for protests to be outlawed by the state?

banned completely, nope. they are entitled to be arseholes.

an exclusion zone arround clinics so they aren't harassing staff and patients, to allow people some way into clinics without having to walk right past people waving stuff at them, or shouting at them. yes. they deserve protection from being abused by those arseholes.

 

[toggle]

Bullshit is the operative word. And make no mistake, it's not about the rights of the unborn, it's about controlling women.

of course it is.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

banned completely, nope. they are entitled to be arseholes.

an exclusion zone arround clinics so they aren't harassing staff and patients, to allow people some way into clinics without having to walk right past people waving stuff at them, or shouting at them. yes. they deserve protection from being abused by those arseholes.

Yep. It's already been done in some places. Can't remember where. It's the very least people using the clinic should be able to expect, imho.

 

[Citizen66]

That's fair enough really. My anarcho hackles twitch with any state involvement tbh but allowing the EDL to protest inside a mosque can only lead to an ocean of grief and it should be true in this case too. Have there been any counter protests?

 

[Citizen66]

Sorry that was at toggle

 

[toggle]

Isn't Roe v Wade already wobbling? As I said, not sure this is the right thread.

there needs to be some kind of protection beyond the court decision. constitutional? something that stops this attempt at nitpicking the right to abort to death.

It's interesting to compare to here. I was reading someting last night about how civil rights were discussed during the last labour administration and the polls were claiming that if we got a constitution/bill of rights, then over half the population wanted to see abortion access included in that. a percentage that appeared to be increacing rapidly.

 

[toggle]

That's fair enough really. My anarcho hackles twitch with any state involvement tbh but allowing the EDL to protest inside a mosque can only lead to an ocean of grief and it should be true in this case too. Have there been any counter protests?

absolutely. plus, police have a nasty habit of using threats to publuic order or safety to stop protest spuriously. but there's definately examples where that kind of restriction is necessary. at the very least, keep the protest on the other side of the road from the clinics.

 

[Citizen66]

Then maybe there needs to be a counter protest built forcing the fuckers to protest in some car park three miles away from aggravating anyone. I'm game.

 

[toggle]

would be if i wasn't 250 miles away.

even just turning up and being enough of a fucking nuisance that the police clear off everyone would help.

 

[Citizen66]

I might solo pilot it. Probs not this side of Christmas though.

 

[gamerunknown]

IANAL, but afaik: The constitutional basis for abortion now rests with Planned Parenthood vs. Casey, rather than Roe vs. Wade.

 

[Pickman's model]

Then maybe there needs to be a counter protest built forcing the fuckers to protest in some car park three miles away from aggravating anyone. I'm game.

or inside a motorway bridge

 

[Spirit Of Slade]

They want the law changing. Let them demonstrate outside parliament. Do we have the right to upset others to make our point wherever and whenever we like? No we don't.

I'm going to stick my neck out here and say that I'm against abortion unless there is a good medical reason.

I would vote to outlaw abortion. Would I protest outside parliament for a change in law? If I had nothing better to do.

Protesting outside clinics? No way. That's as futile and as stupid as the "Meat is murder" crowd protesting outside a butchers shop.

 

[DotCommunist]

oh god

 

[Spirit Of Slade]

oh god

Nope. He doesn't have any influence in my thinking in this one.

 

[8ball]

I'm going to stick my neck out here and say that I'm against abortion unless there is a good medical reason.

Yeah, that's not going to be popular...

 

[Spirit Of Slade]

Yeah, that's not going to be popular...

Most probably not. But it's honest. Besides, it's one thing to have views on an issue, how that issue has context and perspective against other social issues and how someone would fit it in to their moral compass, how they would put their views across and evangalise those views, is another thing altogether.

Yeah, abortion for convenience isn't something I agree. But there are far bigger problems in the country for me to let the issue take over my life!

 

[DotCommunist]

The very fact you term it 'abortion for convenience' shows how fucked your thinking is on this one.

 

[ddraig]

I'm going to stick my neck out here and say that I'm against abortion unless there is a good medical reason.

I would vote to outlaw abortion. Would I protest outside parliament for a change in law? If I had nothing better to do.

Protesting outside clinics? No way. That's as futile and as stupid as the "Meat is murder" crowd protesting outside a butchers shop.

ahh, clearer.
let me guess 50+ white male from SE england? does your username relate to Slade green at all?

 

[Spirit Of Slade]

ahh, clearer.
let me guess 50+ white male from SE england? does your username relate to Slade green at all?

Wrong...on most counts.

Slade aspect of my moniker relates to Slade Gardens, a park I have found childhood memories of.

Do you believe some people are less equal than others?

 

[marty21]

ahh, clearer.
let me guess 50+ white male from SE england? does your username relate to Slade green at all?

not sure what your point is there, I'm 50 in a few months and a white male who is pro abortion