SWP expulsions and squabbles

[emanymton]

trackie bottoms and an england top.

But only when they are going somewhere posh.

 

[Delroy Booth]

trackie bottoms and an england top.

I turned up to a meeting once in a Thor Steinar coat and no-one batted an eyelid.

 

[electric.avenue]

trackie bottoms and an england top.

The ones I know do not dress like this at all.

Combats or jeans, tee shirt, sensible fleece.

 

[bolshiebhoy]

the smoking ban in meetings was the beginning of the end.

once we started capitulating to whiny fake asthmatics, with their insistent cough and martyr face within hundredths of a second of sparking up, there was no going back.
next came the ban on pubs. "but the alkies and teetotalers won't come...", don't these people go to fucking tesco? it's full of booze! "the unemployed won't want to come...", yeh right, like they ever got asked to put their hand in their pocket for beer.

the reality was that the ban on meeting in pubs happened because the party was being run by a bunch of joyless cunts who just wanted to suck the fun out of everything. that's why they stopped skegness for some wanky ally pally rally.

I knew there was a reason I liked you!

 

[One_Stop_Shop]

I see that OSS continues his epic quest to get someone to send him a copy of the Socialist Party's constitution over on Socialist Unity.

Is someone posting as one_stop_shop on socialist unity???? It's not me!

 

[barney_pig]

"the reality was that the ban on meeting in pubs happened because the party was being run by a bunch of joyless cunts who just wanted to suck the fun out of everything. that's why they stopped skegness for some wanky ally pally rally."

Yes!

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

There's a serious issue here about whether or not this is indicative of the decline in people participating in civil society (Robert Putnam's book Bowling Alone is a worthwhile read on this) ie there's less public meeting places cos there's less demand for public meetings of all kinds, political or otherwise, or whether or not the internet has made routine face-to-face meetings like the ones commonplace on the far left redundant. That people are still getting involved in debates but online, not in person. Why participate in a choreographed meeting run by distant and shadowy forces when you can engage in a permanent conversation online for no effort in the comfort of your own home? Where you can drink and smoke without alienating anyone! Whilst wearing just your underwear, if you please. I bet there's people on this thread now who aren't even fully dressed and who are pissed/stoned and it's only 6:23pm! You can't get away with that a meeting.*

And if you're talking about pubs you could make a case for both of the above, not to mention the economic pressure of competition from nightclubs and cheap supermarket booze. Why go to the pub when you can get two bottles of wine for a tenner, go home to your empty lonely life, get smashed on your own whilst stalking your old school friends on facebook and drowning yourself in self-hatred?

* I once left a meeting early to pick up weed. I'm a very bad comrade.

Once I had promised a really nice person that I would attend an SWP public meeting on X subject at a trendy arthouse cinema on a Saturday afternoon, but then my partner at the time and a friend procured some magic mushrooms and proposed a trip to the local park instead... Not wanting to disapoint the SWP I ate the mushrooms and went to the park for half an hour - then nipped off to the meeting where I came up properly while some CC member (might have been Bambery) was talking about something or other while radiating an impressive halo. During Q&As I asked somthing so as to appear cogent and engaged with the subject (but I suspect it was burbling rubbish) and then dashed back to the park to finish the fun.

ETA: now I remember it was Bamberry and he looked like a sacred icon from a Russian church - the first time anyone has said he was an oil painting I expect

 

[articul8]

Is someone posting as one_stop_shop on socialist unity???? It's not me!

sounds very like a certain Delroy

 

[manny-p]

I knew there was a reason I liked you!

I don't particularly like you.

 

[discokermit]

I don't particularly like you.

he's alright. he's just wrong. and a hack. a confused hack.

 

[One_Stop_Shop]

sounds very like a certain Delroy

Just found it, that is fantastic. The best thing is that people are taking it seriously, there must be about ten requests from Deloy and Jay Blackwood.

 

[Delroy Booth]

sounds very like a certain Delroy

100% not me I posted under my own name (and got banned for it! haha)

 

[treelover]

just reported on SU that Delta will not stand again for UAF positions..

 

[emanymton]

100% not me I posted under my own name (and got banned for it! haha)

I can't decide to want extent you were trolling and to what extent you were serous????

 

[Delroy Booth]

I can't decide to want extent you were trolling and to what extent you were serous????

Neither can I sometimes

 

[belboid]

just reported on SU that Delta will not stand again for UAF positions..

You got a link? I can never find owt on that site

 

[emanymton]

You got a link? I can never find owt on that site

Post 205, by Tony Collins. And that's it.

If true I think this would mean that the factions demand for him not to represent the party or to hold any full time positions would be in place even though the CC have not formally conceded it

 

[emanymton]

Post 205, by Tony Collins. And that's it.

If true I think this would mean that the factions demand for him not to represent the party or to hold any full time positions would be in place even though the CC have not formally conceded it

He is not listed as one of the speakers.

 

[tony collins]

100% not me I posted under my own name (and got banned for it! haha)

No you didn't. I just told you not to bring that kind of shit to the site. You're more than welcome to post there; you always have been. But trying to draw a comparison between a ribbing about clothing and racism/homophobia, that's way below standard for Friday night trolling.

 

[belboid]

Cheers. Anything else would be kinda mad, they don't want the issue spilling over into UAF

 

[emanymton]

Before it gets started tony collins Delroy Booth any chance you could do us all a favor and not have the same argument on here? As much as I enjoyed reading it on SU.

 

[emanymton]

Cheers. Anything else would be kinda mad, they don't want the issue spilling over into UAF

Yeah, if he was to speak or stand for any positions then the whole UAF conference would become about that issue. Even the SWP CC aren't quite that mad yet.

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

Yeah, if he was to speak or stand for any positions then the whole UAF conference would become about that issue. Even the SWP CC aren't quite that mad yet.

Shame it would have been good if they'd taken UAF down as well

 

[Delroy Booth]

No you didn't. I just told you not to bring that kind of shit to the site. You're more than welcome to post there; you always have been. But trying to draw a comparison between a ribbing about clothing and racism/homophobia, that's way below standard for Friday night trolling.

You removed a load of my posts you fucking spoilsport bastard! And other people's who were sticking up for me! Funny definition of the word welcome you have Tony.

Anyway I still think that the comment of "dowdy members of the Socialist Party dressing like the povs at Primark" was genuinely a nasty bit of class bigotry, and quite revealing about what sort of "socialist" Andy Newman is, I was completely serious about that, even if I was ramping up the histrionics for my my own pathetic narcissistic amusement. And I'm absolutely right you wouldn't react that way if it was a off-colour racist joke, or a sexist one, but class bigotry seems quite another matter. It is out of line, and what's more revealing you reacted to it with totally predictable "shut up, get a thicker skin, stop trying to be offended" shite that's seems to be the default reaction when someone gets upset by the stupid witless crass "jokes" from the boorish middle-aged white men who overwhelm and dominate the left. Top banter lads, epic bants, fuckin' primark wearing bus-wankers and smackheads etc etc ad nauseum. Obviously those who don't like this sort of thing are the ones with the problem, not you guys.

I'm probably not at all as thin skinned as you reckon btw. But I'm still pretty young and I'll have it with anyone. Anyway I'm done it's far too nice of a day for this. Remember to vote Labour, primark scum! Know your place!

 

[TremulousTetra]

Shame it would have been good if they'd taken UAF down as well

WTF! Typical

 

[bolshiebhoy]

Post 205, by Tony Collins. And that's it.

If true I think this would mean that the factions demand for him not to represent the party or to hold any full time positions would be in place even though the CC have not formally conceded it

Good. Sensible decision.

 

[Scribbling S]

Sadly, it only means the SWP CC were forced to keep 'Delta' off UAF posts by orgs outside SWP kicking off: CC still determined, I understand, to give him a role - currently at LMHR -(presumably they want to do this to demonstrate their authority) Most certainly CC at present seem determined not to give in to any demands 'Delta' is barred from full time or 'united front' roles. Sensibleness merely forced on them by non-SWP actors in this case.

 

[belboid]

as probably the front where students are most important, LMHR would seem a pointedly terrible choice.

 

[Hocus Eye.]

What is LMHR?

 

[Delroy Booth]

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