Why the Green Party is shit

[treelover]

RMT President Peter Pinkney to stand for Greens in Redcar

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/rmt-union-president-im-standing-8598307

Isn't he someone who has done the rounds of the left, including, I think, Left Unity?

 

[SpackleFrog]

I'm wondering if the Daily Heil maybe mined this very thread for some of this info?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...een-council-house-policies-dreamt-Greens.html

 

[elbows]

I'm wondering if the Daily Heil maybe mined this very thread for some of this info?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...een-council-house-policies-dreamt-Greens.html

Almost none of the policies and attempts at historical muckraking that feature in that article have been discussed here recently.

Theres been at least one historical discussion of detailed Green policy documents on u75 that wasn't in tune with press attention of the time. But I think any timing co-incidences between the recent u75 focus on policies and all the new-found press attention towards policies was not because of journalists reading this thread, but rather our conversation and the press attention both being stirred into action by the same source - the Andrew Neil interview.

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

Yep there is a tendency from some to overestimate the importance of this tiny Brixton based forum, journos do use it, but generally the ones that were members here before becoming journos.

 

[elbows]

but generally the ones that were members here before becoming journos.

Exceptions to that probably occur when the considerable google-juice the u75 forum possesses comes into effect when lazy journey search google for certain combinations of words. Or when even lazier journalists think they can write a story by posing as, for example, a young person keen to experiment with naughty drugs.

 

[SpackleFrog]

Almost none of the policies and attempts at historical muckraking that feature in that article have been discussed here recently.

Theres been at least one historical discussion of detailed Green policy documents on u75 that wasn't in tune with press attention of the time. But I think any timing co-incidences between the recent u75 focus on policies and all the new-found press attention towards policies was not because of journalists reading this thread, but rather our conversation and the press attention both being stirred into action by the same source - the Andrew Neil interview.

I was thinking less about the policies and more about the stuff like Bartolotti being photographed holding a Nazi flag, Tony Gosling and the far right influences, and truthers and anti-semites, which are all catalogued here but not many other places.

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

Ooh where has Bartolotti been seen with a far right flag? Got any pics?

 

[DaveCinzano]

Ooh where has Bartolotti been seen with a far right flag? Got any pics?

http://www.pippabartolotti.info/p/photos.html

http://cifwatch.com/2011/07/10/guardian-airbrushes-extremist-links-of-british-flytilla-participants/

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Bartolotti+nazi+flag

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

Greens are fucking idiots

 

[butchersapron]

I'm sure i posted some Pippa poetry before but can't seem to find it.

 

[rekil]

Bartolotti was on come dine with me. Fortune telling eh?

It's day two in Newport and peace activist Pippa Bartolotti works her magic with an 'upcycling' dinner party, including locally-sourced vegetarian food and fortune-telling.

 

[SpineyNorman]

Are there any green party activists who aren't complete and utter mentalists?

 

[belboid]

I think Alex Cox is still a member, and he, frankly, is a god.

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

Are there any green party activists who aren't complete and utter mentalists?

Matt S who used to post on here seemed sane and rational despite being a Green councillor in Oxford. Can't think of any others...

 

[belboid]

Derek Wall isn't completely bonkers either

 

[butchersapron]

Matt S who used to post on here seemed sane and rational despite being a Green councillor in Oxford. Can't think of any others...

Matt has made many compromises.

 

[lazythursday]

I don't share the general disdain for the greens found around here and I find the green surge quite thrilling... but then when I think about it all the local greens I know are either excruciatingly wet 'let's build consensus and plant vegetables!' types or utter mentalists. But these 'green left' eco-socialists must exist somewhere?

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

Matt has made many compromises.

Yes well that's what you do if sensible and in a mainstream party, there's no point joining one and then organising for fringe politics with strange people... Is there articul8 ?

 

[butchersapron]

Yes well that's what you do if sensible and in a mainstream party, there's no point joining one and then organising for fringe politics with strange people... Is there articul8 ?

Is it?

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

Is it?

What would you do?

 

[butchersapron]

What would you do?

Not put myself up for election, then compromise when elected.

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

Not put myself up for election, then compromise when elected.

Well maybe not - but I don't think doing so is a sign of being a nutter. It's pretty difficult for committed people who do get elected to not compromise if there isn't a mass movement to back them up.

 

[treelover]

Plenty of rational Greens here.

plenty of petit bourgeoisie as well

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

Plenty of rational Greens here.

plenty of petit bourgeoisie as well

Where?

 

[butchersapron]

Well maybe not - but I don't think doing so is a sign of being a nutter. It's pretty difficult for committed people who do get elected to not compromise if there isn't a mass movement to back them up.

That makes their obvious fall from grace the fault of other people.

If we don't need them then why should we argue for them?

 

[SpineyNorman]

I find the green surge quite thrilling...

I have no idea why but that gave me a genuine lol

 

[butchersapron]

I have no idea why but that gave me a genuine lol

Diff worlds.

 

[elbows]

But these 'green left' eco-socialists must exist somewhere?

I guess they must exist somewhere because there do seem to be policies in their policy documents that reflect that political persuasion. Especially if we imagine what the policies read like before they were rewritten in the moribund modern language of politics, economics and legalese.

I'm not sure where they are though. Perhaps it is just the same consensus-building types you mention, perhaps they have radical moments and can con themselves into thinking they can achieve consensus even in areas that are radical. Just so long as those ideas are long-term aspirations rather than principals to stick to from the get-go

 

[Mr.Bishie]

http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/1179...c_calming__as_more_complaints_are_registered/

An accident waiting to happen. Cyclists & drivers beware! There's not even any fucking flowers in them ffs
Due to their imminent danger, some bright spark has now placed (Arrow) road signs next to them. What a fucking sorry state of affairs

 

[starfish]

As a Brighton Pavillion resident who has the only Green Party MP in the country, I'm declaring my intentions now. I will vote for Caroline Lucas at the upcoming GE because I have to. If I don't where else can we have an acceptable alternative non mainstream party MP that isn't FUKIP in disguise. Green or alternative won't get in anywhere else so it is my civic duty to waste my vote in the greater scheme of things but for the greater good.
I'm basically taking a parliamentary punch for youse.