butchersapron
Bring back hanging
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Who's going along to the G20 protests?
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hiraethified
Can you wind in the abuse please?
butchersapron
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I wasn't talking to you.
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hiraethified
I'd like *everyone* to cut out the name-calling in this thread please and concentrate on the topic which is far more interesting.
cesare
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re Inbloom.He's done loads of stuff re agency/temp workers. If he's not that keen on a protest march, fine. It's not as if he does nothing else. It's not all about turning out on the streets being the biggest thing.
And _float_ this historic stalky shit that you're pulling is seriously weird. Not just that, but you're curiously silent as to your own part.
And _float_ this historic stalky shit that you're pulling is seriously weird. Not just that, but you're curiously silent as to your own part.
butchersapron
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arselicker float. There isn't any abuse.
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hiraethified
Can you get it a rest, pretty please? The topic of the G20 protests is vastly more interesting than this dull spat. Truly.
In Bloom specifically asked people to search his posting history to see what he has done etc - nothing creepy about that at all.
Based on this I speculated that maybe he has ideological reasons for slagging off G20 protests.
When people refuse to give straight answers as to why they are for one demo but against another then there is nothing creepy in trying to work out if they have sectarian reasons for saying what they do.
Noone here has actually come out and said that the AF are in favour, against or neutral about g20 demos/protests/actions. In Bloom (class struggle anarchist?) seems to be against. enumbers (class struggle anarchist?) seems to be against. Butchersapron - frankly fuck knows what he supports or opposes because he never seems to say anything coherent, although he was talking posively about the AF in the thread I linked to last year. Maybe you can shed some light on it? Is this an AF 'party line' or just In Bloom's personal take on it?
I am more pissed off with people hiding their agendas behind comments about people's clothing etc, than with them having an agenda in the first place - after all there is a reasonable argument to be made that 'Put People First' is middle class and reformist (true) hence useless (I disagree with this bit). This is a more worthwhile criticism to post on this thread than saying someone has 'shit clothes'.
Doing a search to try an uncover someone's political affiliation (if any) isn't 'creepy' or 'stalking' - it is cutting through the stupid evasions and personal comments to try to get to the underlying politics. It would be better however if they were just honest about them in the first place (as for me - I don't belong to any political paty or group at all).
And speaking of which, do you have anything to say politically, or are you just looking for a personal spat?
cesare
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Me, I've set out my problem with you. It doesn't matter how you back-justify it, you swept in with a historical five year old issue with Butchers' political position way back then. And all you've done since that was pointed out to you, was to try and justify it.
What I have to say politically is what I've already said. Direct action and protests aren't the be all and end all. In Bloom has done loads of stuff on just one front that I know about. And if he chooses to concentrate what he does there rather than protest marches, that's a matter for him. Unless you're suggesting that only marches and rallies count?
butchersapron
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What do you want to know about the AF' s take (and why?)
cesare
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And does it even matter?
butchersapron
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It so massively doesn't, which make floats focus a bit ...odd
cesare
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S/he might turn their attention on historical past SOLFED members yet with the same wtf reaction.
chico enrico
No hair shows you care.
Nup.
I only logged on to see if there was a thread along the lines of "What happened today" but instead there's all this sort of stuff.
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
I cant make this one, but I truly thank and salute all those that do. You are the future, at least I hope so. The people of this country must stand up to the looting scum. Otherwise we will be shat upon exactly as much as we allow ourselves to be..
What is the big deal about saying that someone supports party X or Y? Last year he was singing it's praises and I mistakenly thought he was a member. Apparently he isn't. It was one incidental remark which has now been corrected, not a part of any argument, so I fail to see why you are making such a big deal out of it. You find it wierd. I find you wierd for finding it wierd. So what? Waste of time discussing it really.
In Bloom bigs up some demos and actions but slags off others. I am not saying he has to support stuff against the g20 this week. I am asking on what basis he decides which are worthwhile and which are not. I speculated that perhaps AF has a 'line' that In Bloom is following and so far noone has confirmed or denied this. Maybe this isn't the reason? Maybe In Bloom has some other reasons? If he hadn't come onto this thread and started slagging off these demos then it wouldn't be an issue.
How are demos that I've promoted "extremely similar" to ones I've criticised, then?
I want to know about In Bloom's take. AF only came into it as speculation that this is where In Bloom is taking his ideological critique of g20 actions from. He invited people to look at his posting record to see what he supported etc - which is where AF appeared.
Hohoho
They fall within the 'Put People First' agenda. Go and look for yourself.
Some AF members are involved, some aren't. London AF were a part of the Millitant workers' block on the march on Saturday.
Anything I say on here is strictly in a personal capacity.
That's open to interpretation. What isn't open to interpretation is the very specific claims you've made about the kinds of actions I support and why, which have been shown to be false. Will you be apologising any time soon?
Thanks for that reply.
I can't understand why you support something like the cleaners demo at Schroders against poor pay and conditions etc, then slag off people who demonstrated against poor pay (and other things) on Saturday.
...various groups have called for specific protests:
Protest against carbon trading outside the European Climate Exchange.
Protest aginst investments in fossil fuels outside RBS-NatWest
Protest against Iraq, Afghanistan & Gaza outside US embassy
...while other are either a bit more vague...
Protest against 'stuff' outside Bank of England
ditto Excel centre
...or maybe going to make their point on the day.
Do you take issue because too many things are being mixed together at the same time? Do you really not support any of the demonstrations? Do you believe that demos are only worthwhile when extremely specific and targetted, with concrete, achieveable and specific demands?
It would be far better if you explained exactly what the issue is with this week's protests rather than simply call people fuckwits. You might even persuade some people here round to your way of thinking, rather than just insult them.
I said I was speculating that your views were an AF 'line'. I accept that there are not, which means that your objections and comments make even less sense. I don't need to apologise for asking you to explain your criteria or speculating that might be something to do with your brand of class-struggle-communist-anarchism. I stand by my view that you are hypocritical in your support for some protests and your slagging off of others (eg when both of them concern fair pay, human rights or education spending). Fine, it isn't down to an AF line - what is it down to?
xes
F.O.A.D
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/how-to-break-through-police-lines-1657033.html
Apparently "anarchists" have been passing online pamphlets on how to break the police line and hold a good riot.
Propaganda, or is this real? (if so gis a link to it)
edit, no need I found it.
http://www.schnews.org.uk/diyguide/guidetopublicordersituations.htm
At least that looks like it. So, nothing on there about actually inciting violence at all. Just how to look after yourself if it kicks off.
Apparently "anarchists" have been passing online pamphlets on how to break the police line and hold a good riot.
Propaganda, or is this real? (if so gis a link to it)
edit, no need I found it.
http://www.schnews.org.uk/diyguide/guidetopublicordersituations.htm
At least that looks like it. So, nothing on there about actually inciting violence at all. Just how to look after yourself if it kicks off.
Well done Jerome Taylor and Kunal Dutta on a top piece of journalism.
eta: as a reader's comment below the story notes, they can't even get their one and only quote correct:
Indy:
Speaking after the Put People First march in Hyde Park, London, on Saturday, an unidentified member of an anarchy group told a crowd: "We want to see resistance on the street on Wednesday. If the police are ready for you, go and fight them. If they're not, give them a surprise."
What was actually said (with a link to the recording to prove it):
"And we want resistance on the streets, when I say resistance on the streets thats exactly what I mean. If we're kicked around we should fight back. But don't fight the police till you can beat them. When they're ready for you DON'T fight them. When they're not ready for you, give them a surprise."
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