Who's going along to the G20 protests?

[Badger Kitten]

I watched an absolutely disgraceful report on Sky last night; first they said up to 15k were out, then suddently at 9pm it was 35k marching, ( ok, they'd read the PA report by then), the crowd shots were mostly of masked marching anarchists flanked by coppers, they showed that arse of a professor, had to grumpily and very quickly admit the march was entirely peaceful BUT...who knew what was to come, all police leave cancellled etc... then went forseveral long clips of the poll tax riots, wtf? before spiralling off into grim predictions of violence and anarchy to come, with zero evidence for it save 'in the past, some other marches once got rough' ( as opposed to 'and hundreds of previous marches didn't).

Fuckers

Meanwhile, Stephen Moss reviews the march in the Observer

 

[brix]

Meanwhile, Stephen Moss reviews the march in the Observer

Thanks for posting that Stephen Moss piece. I think that sort of sums up how I saw the day. And his ending almost brought a tear to my eye

Now the job is to make the alliance, the new politics, the grassroots organisation live. If only to give the lie to what I hear a police officer in Whitehall tell an elderly man who asks him what's going on. "It's a TUC march about jobs and job security," he tells him, "the usual stuff."

The usual stuff! That's how the politicians and their agents (the anarchist lingo is catching) would like to see it. Time to prove them wrong.

 

[tangentlama]

Meanwhile, Stephen Moss reviews the march in the Observer

A quick Bill on PR – I won't bore you with the form I favour – would be useful, to produce, after the next election, a House of Commons which actually begins to represent the population of Great Britain, rather than three ideologically neutered parties filled with time-servers, sycophants, expense-fiddlers and toffs who were too stupid to make a living in the City even in the "good" times.

Hear, hear!

 

[claphamboy]

^^^ Former builders called Bob.

 

[newbie]

Yep. I really liked your photos, quite different from the normal banner shots.

talking of banners... does every fresh wave of protest need to learn the same boring stuff?


big banners catch the wind and need holes in them or they can't be sensibly carried on windy days.

Simple and obvious but apparently necessary to say. Yesterday I watched various battles between banner and holder which the banners mostly won, including one, I think the big RMT banner, where the holder was almost knocked over.

 

[PAD1OH]

I watched an absolutely disgraceful report on Sky last night; first they said up to 15k were out, then suddently at 9pm it was 35k marching,

it's pointless caring what sky news says. no sense in it at all.

 

[Kirruth]

There were indeed serious battles with the banners...sorry to say the Christian Aid one ended up in the Thames.

Still, all in all, it was a very nice demo, got good coverage and even prompted responses from Gordon Brown and Vice President Biden.

There was cake, but sadly no clowns.

 

[In Bloom]

Jesus fucking wept, what rock do these fuckwits keep crawling out from under?

 

[smokedout]

few more pics and short report

 

[Blagsta]

Jesus fucking wept, what rock do these fuckwits keep crawling out from under?

You seem to expect people's politics to arrive fully formed as class struggle anarchists. Stupid. Politicisation is a process. Some people won't move beyond liberal careerist politics. Others will. Sneering at a photo is pathetic.

 

[e19896]

You seem to expect people's politics to arrive fully formed as class struggle anarchists. Stupid.

and when they are formed as class struggle anarchists you slag them of for not becomeing to your brand erm Stupid:

 

[Corax]

And petty squabbling such as this is ridiculous when contrasted with the scale of the problems we face. Stupid.

 

[dylans]

Jesus fucking wept, what rock do these fuckwits keep crawling out from under?

That comment is incredibly fucking arrogant and elitist. The people in the photo don't conform to your idea of what a class warrior should look like so you slag them off. The people in the photo are ORDINARY WORKING CLASS PEOPLE like it or not, they are exactly the people we need if we are to build a serious movement but you prefer to call them fuckwits. Its you who are the fuckwit.

 

[brix]

few more pics and short report

Really nice pics.

This bloke caught my eye. I've photographed him before on a stop-the-war demo. He's changed his placard though

Your shot:

My shot:

 

[editor]

Jesus fucking wept, what rock do these fuckwits keep crawling out from under?

Ah, the armchair critic finds yet more faults with the people who, unlike him, are at least prepared to get off their arses for something they believe in.

 

[_float_]

Jesus fucking wept, what rock do these fuckwits keep crawling out from under?

^^^^^^^
Jesus fucking wept, what rock do you keep crawling out from under?

I notice you cream yourself about your own favoured demos (against detention centres, student cuts, ID cards, and pro Palestine and sacked cleaners), promote your Anarchist Federation magazine* and endlessly slag off everything and everyone else.

You are the very definition of a petty-minded sectarian twat.


* "The Anarchist Federation is an organisation of revolutionary class struggle anarchists ... Only the direct action of working class people can defeat these attacks and ultimately overthrow capitalism...We reject attempts to reform it such as working through parliament and national liberation movements ... as they fail to challenge capitalism itself. Unions also work as a part of the capitalist system, so although workers struggle within them, they will be unable to bring about capitalism's destruction unless they go beyond these limits ... trades unions divide the working class ... [any] cross-class movements hide real class differences and achieve little ... We oppose organised religion and religious belief..."

So the real reason you slag off this demo is that it involves trades unions, organisations that contain 'middle class' people, people who hold religious beliefs but most importantly, it isn't run by your particular grouplet of 'revolutionary anarchists'. This gives you carte blanche to snort away from the sidelines like the snotty-nosed cunt pictured above. You hate everyone and everyone hates you, and that's just how you like it.

 

[In Bloom]

So the real reason you slag off this demo is that it involves trades unions, organisations that contain 'middle class' people, people who hold religious beliefs but most importantly, it isn't run by your particular grouplet of 'revolutionary anarchists'. This gives you carte blanche to snort away from the sidelines like the snotty-nosed cunt pictured above. You hate everyone and everyone hates you, and that's just how you like it.

Except that I constantly promote and talk positively about stuff that I'm not involved in, actions that the AF has nothing to do with and campaigns run by trade unionists, and the only "pro-Palestine" demo I've actually posted details for on here was organised through a mosque. Feel free to carry on misrespresenting, lying and quoting out of context though.

It's nothing to do with "sectarianism" (the last refuge of people who can't take criticism, it's about as feeble as retreating to "well that's your opinion") and everything to do with me, shock horror, agreeing with some things and disagreeing with others.

 

[In Bloom]

You seem to expect people's politics to arrive fully formed as class struggle anarchists. Stupid. Politicisation is a process. Some people won't move beyond liberal careerist politics. Others will. Sneering at a photo is pathetic.

"Stopping climate change is sexy"? And I'm the one being pathetic?

 

[In Bloom]

Ah, the armchair critic finds yet more faults with the people who, unlike him, are at least prepared to get off their arses for something they believe in.

Oh, sorry, I forgot that you know me. Because you obviously do, you know everything that I do and everything that I'm involved in.

That or you're a twat, I forget which.

 

[pk]

Float is spot on, as are others...

Anarchist Federation LOL... Star Trek-esque delusions of importance are NOT sexy.

This is why the Monster Raving Loonies have more grass roots support than class stwuggle anarkids.

 

[In Bloom]

Float is spot on, as are others...

Anarchist Federation LOL... Star Trek-esque delusions of importance are NOT sexy.

This is why the Monster Raving Loonies have more grass roots support than class stwuggle anarkids.

Yes, Float is spot on, I agree with some things and disagree with others. How damning.

Maybe for an encore she can prove that I have two arms, two legs and a head.

 

[goldenecitrone]

Really nice pics.

This bloke caught my eye. I've photographed him before on a stop-the-war demo. He's changed his placard though

Your shot:

I think it used to say, 'The end of the world is nigh'

 

[editor]

Oh, sorry, I forgot that you know me. Because you obviously do, you know everything that I do and everything that I'm involved in.

Tell us what you do then, because all I'm seeing here is you attacking anyone who doesn't do things your way. Please tell me all about your fantastic publicity-attracting methods and direct action masterstrokes - I'm sure everyone will be happy to learn from a master such as you.

"Stopping climate change is sexy"? And I'm the one being pathetic?

Yes. You are. You're a smug armchair critic making snide little comments aimed at belittling people who you know absolute fuck all about.

What a hypocrite!

 

[In Bloom]

Tell us what you do then, because all I'm seeing here is you attacking anyone who doesn't do things your way. Please tell me all about your fantastic publicity-attracting methods and direct action masterstrokes - I'm sure everyone will be happy to learn from a master such as you.

Except that I never claimed to be a "master" of anything.

Yes. You are. You're a smug armchair critic making snide little comments aimed at belittling people who you know absolute fuck all about.

What a hypocrite!

Surely they'd have to be able to read my comments to be "belittled" by them, either way, anybody who thinks that that placard is funny or clever is, in fact, stupid.

By the way, what does it even mean, calling me an "armchair critic", when I'm involved in all kinds of different shit?

 

[asbestos]

There were indeed serious battles with the banners...sorry to say the Christian Aid one ended up in the Thames.

Best place for it.

 

[DownwardDog]

"Stopping climate change is sexy"? And I'm the one being pathetic?

Women say "yes" to men who say "no" to long haul air travel and Mitsubishi Shoguns.

 

[PAD1OH]

when I'm involved in all kinds of different shit?

including being a dick.

 

[editor]

Surely they'd have to be able to read my comments to be "belittled" by them, either way, anybody who thinks that that placard is funny or clever is, in fact, stupid.

And there you go again, calling anyone who fails to agree with your damning verdict about the 'fuckwit' holding the placard as "stupid."

By the way, what does it even mean, calling me an "armchair critic", when I'm involved in all kinds of different shit?

Like I said, all I've seen here from you is pathetic sneering and attempts to belittle anyone who doesn't do things your way, so let's hear about your methods.

Tell us all about your recent 'shit'.

 

[derf]

I would tend to agree with some of the demands of the protesters even if I see most of them as unrealistic.
Some of the other demands like decent jobs for all and an end to global poverty and inequality are pie in the sky stuff.
That's not to say it wouldn't be nice but it is unrealistic.

However, regardless of what I agree and disagree with, I'm please to see the lack of trouble at these protests and have to respect the protesters for their good behaviour even if I don't agree with what they seen to want.

 

[PAD1OH]

even if I don't agree with what they seen to want.

what demands do you not agree with?