Who's going along to the G20 protests?
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The comment at the bottom suggests that has been there since at least 2000/2001, and when you do a view page info it says 'last modified May 2007'. Talk about brainless media shit-stirring!
yeah but you watch the public lap it up like it's gods own truth.
"ooh, they're going to riot, look, they're handing out leaflets with instructions, it says so here, they're bad and the bakers are the poor victims"
mmmmmm I love the smell of propaganda in the morning.
The ones holding the banners? No, though I do disagree with some of them about the usefulness of summit protests, which is why they went and I didn't.
I don't think summit protests are shit because some of the people who go are tools. It's just a useful coincidence.
Although to be fair to the Independent, they did hand placards mounted on some seriously heavy-duty sticks at the Decmber 2005 climate change demo.
Would have been great for would-be "rioters" - far better than the usual flimsy balsa-wood type - except that people found them too heavy to carry all the way round the route to the US embassy!
Would have been great for would-be "rioters" - far better than the usual flimsy balsa-wood type - except that people found them too heavy to carry all the way round the route to the US embassy!
Not very useful because instead of making reasonable comments (like you would when discussing the pros and cons of summit protests with your colleagues) you call people fuckwits and take the piss out of people's clothing, which reflects badly on you and by extension things you are associated with and has zero persuasive power vis-a-vis people switching to what you would deem more 'useful' kinds of protests or campaigning.
Why do you hold the view that protesting about immigration policies or pay in the context of a summit is "shit" as you put it? Do you feel that it is simply lost underneath in a vast pile of other issues? Don't you think that there is any value in making common cause with other campaigns and helping people make connections between issues? Also do you a have serious political objection with marching alongside "tools", in the same way many people would not want to share a platform with racists for example?
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In my little opinion, I thought it was great to have lots of different causes to show support for. It's a great way to boost numbers on a march. And that's what you want, vast numbers marching through london. I was given a very brief interview with someone with a video camera, asked me which cause I was here to support. My answer was "they're all worthy causes, I'm here to support them all" which was my reason for going on saturday.
Now, In Bloom is probably going to spit feathers at that, and think I'm one of these "tools". Oh well, what a pity, never mind.
Now, In Bloom is probably going to spit feathers at that, and think I'm one of these "tools". Oh well, what a pity, never mind.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Or...you went rummaging through his and others bins in search of dirt to use to dismiss peoples arguments rather than confronting them politically.
The only things I pulled up were political, and before dismissing an argument you have to be told what it actually is: I am still asking what the political basis is for being against summit protests. Are you saying that being linked to AF is "dirty"? If so then this is obviously some kind of personal thing that you really need to go and sort out with a councillor in private. Come back when you want to talk about politics.
Actually, I didn't take the piss out of anybody's clothing, I made a political argument and included a throwaway analogy about "alterantive" forms of dress, which you and a few others seized on, rather than the substance of my posts.
Basically, I think that it's not worth the effort. These summit protests represent a massive investment of time, money and other resources for little or no return.
butchersapron
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Rummaging through bins is what makes you dirty teej. i.e finding a post from 5 years ago not bothering to checking if it's still accurate and then using that to try and batter someone. Luckily your attacks mean nothing, as do most attacks from the pro-occupation pro-war right - esp that segment that has somehow convionced itself its actually on the side of good. Tell us about wallsall.
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
You didn't though did you. You sneered at people based on a photo. You come across as a right miserable sod.
ajdown
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The problem is not the number of people marching.
It's the many tens of thousands more of ordinary workers doing ordinary jobs and just going about their business who are going to have their day disrupted because a tiny minority of people are using an event as an excuse to cause trouble.
It's the many tens of thousands more of ordinary workers doing ordinary jobs and just going about their business who are going to have their day disrupted because a tiny minority of people are using an event as an excuse to cause trouble.
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
No use on it's own I agree. However, it gives people who may feel isolated in their politics the opportunity to feel some collective action and to meet like minded people. That opportunity then needs to be seized, rather than sneered at.
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
shut up you knob
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
People doing perfectly lawful stuff should be stopped?
edit: actually blagsta has the better reply, not woth feeding tools like you
edit: actually blagsta has the better reply, not woth feeding tools like you
I was referring to a post before that, which is the only one on this thread where I've mentioned clothing.
Yes, but they're experiencing collective action in a way that is utterly sterile and pointless. People who are interested in politics are going to go on a demo sooner or later, they might as well at least go on one that isn't going to be completely demoralising and worthless.
ajdown
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Marching? No problem.
Destruction of property, civil disobedience, refusing to co-operate with the police, blocking roads? Not lawful.
You're a tiny minority. The rest of us don't care. Protest if you must, but you won't win normal people to your cause by disrupting our day.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
shut up you knob
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F.O.A.D
A show of solidaroty of sorts I guess. More numbers means more people give a shit. And the more people who give a shit, the more chance we've got of actually making a difference. That's just my opinion, that's how i see it.
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
The point of the demo is to experience collective action and to politicise people. Given that most people don't experience any collective action at all, then it's worthwhile. Routes of entry into collective politics are often hard to find. This is one route. Capitalise on that. Sneering at it is counterproductive IMO.
tangentlama
Nameless voices crying
The link you gave says 'online pamphlets'
Taylor & Dutta said:
The pamphlets were described as being 'online', not 'handed out' as you claimed, and the placement of their mention in juxtaposition to the Met claim that 'anarchist' groups might resort to violence indicates that the article was constructed to support the Met claim.
Please revise your post to remove the 'handed out' claim (made by you)!
Otherwise, good work at highlighting the online pamphlets' lack of incitement to violence.
They can't even get that quote correct.Taylor & Dutta said:
indy comment said:
Can you give an example of how your protests have achieved more?
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looking through your last few posts on this thread (=scrolling down on the reply to post page ) you haven't posed a question. You've just said that you dissagree with the protests.
And it's not a tiny minority, but it is a tiny minority who'll be bothered to show suport, unfortunatly.
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