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Who will be the next Labour leader?

Who will replace Corbyn?

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kebabking said:
This McDonnell, the shrinking violet, the one who gives into blairites when they try to persuade him of things the opposite of everything he's believed his entire political life - is he any relation to John McDonnell?

This is a laughably shit narrative - Corbyn might be a bit of a wet blanket, but blairites couldn't talk JMcD of out a burning car. The remainiacs might have been harping on, but the leadership weren't listening to the PLP at any stage during this total gangfuck. They might have been listening to the party membership, but not the PLP.

It's desperate blame avoidance, and it stinks like a dead Badger.
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This is fantasy. McDonnell bottled it worse than Corbyn and admitted it. Keep up.
 
The above is fundamentally down to the actions of people rather than Corbyn or the LP but there is no doubt Corbyn supported such a movement.
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Er, can't say i saw mass movements on the streets for rail nationalisation, against UC, etc.
 
SpackleFrog said:
This is fantasy. McDonnell bottled it worse than Corbyn and admitted it. Keep up.
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Nah, he's making a very honourable, but very obvious, attempt to save the project by throwing himself under the brexit bus.

Pretty much every LP canvasser and candidate is saying that Corbyn was a far bigger problem than brexit - brexit was a problem, but Corbyn was a bigger problem by several orders of magnitude.

By very publicly sacrificing himself on the alter of 'i fucked up on brexit policy', McDonnell is actually trying to divert attention from the big issue and put it on a smaller, less 'heart of the project,' one.

It's very honourable, it makes a change from the normal attempts by politicians to save their own wretched skins by throwing old friends under a bus when necessity calls, but it's not the truth.
 
Friends report that the actions of Mr Attlee in ordering the manufacture of the British Nuclear weapons programme without cabinet approval were still having a negative reaction on the doorsteps of heartland areas.

#NotCorbynsFault
 
treelover said:
Er, can't say i saw mass movements on the streets for rail nationalisation, against UC, etc.
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Is that the only measure of support for something? I mean you are critical enough of the SWP and other trots, can't you recognise that support can come in other forms?

There has been popular support for rail nationalisation for decades. That popular support is now pushing politicians, that is not to say re-nationalistion will happen but it is a live topic that politicians have to respond to. In 2015 the LP was too scared to commit to nationalisation now whoever takes over as leader is going to find it stiff going to give up (rhetorically at least) the commitment to nationalisation.

UC is, sadly, a different story.
 
kebabking said:
Nah, he's making a very honourable, but very obvious, attempt to save the project by throwing himself under the brexit bus.

Pretty much every LP canvasser and candidate is saying that Corbyn was a far bigger problem than brexit - brexit was a problem, but Corbyn was a bigger problem by several orders of magnitude.

By very publicly sacrificing himself on the alter of 'i fucked up on brexit policy', McDonnell is actually trying to divert attention from the big issue and put it on a smaller, less 'heart of the project,' one.

It's very honourable, it makes a change from the normal attempts by politicians to save their own wretched skins by throwing old friends under a bus when necessity calls, but it's not the truth.
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Corbyn wasn't a problem at all until his admittedly lukewarm support for respecting the result of the referendum transmogrified into a position of neutrality.Can't imagine that many people in the Midlands think anything other than that this was a Brexit election.Nothing to agonise about- whichever party shouted loudest for Brexit was going to win with a landslide.Only hope for Labour now,particularly if they end up with a Remainer leading the Party, is that Brexit brings catastrophe.
 
kebabking said:
Nah, he's making a very honourable, but very obvious, attempt to save the project by throwing himself under the brexit bus.

Pretty much every LP canvasser and candidate is saying that Corbyn was a far bigger problem than brexit - brexit was a problem, but Corbyn was a bigger problem by several orders of magnitude.

By very publicly sacrificing himself on the alter of 'i fucked up on brexit policy', McDonnell is actually trying to divert attention from the big issue and put it on a smaller, less 'heart of the project,' one.

It's very honourable, it makes a change from the normal attempts by politicians to save their own wretched skins by throwing old friends under a bus when necessity calls, but it's not the truth.
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Is he fuck the reason Corbyn is so widely derided is he let his party push him into a vote losing position and McDonnell who was supposed to be his right hand man led the charge.

If Corbyn is the real problem and Brexit just a distraction, how do you explain 2017? Have you got shares in McDonnell or something or is this pure nostalgia?
 
Spandex said:
What lost the election was Corbyn (due to both fair and unfair criticism), his team's ineptitude and Brexit.
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There was a Guardian (I think) headline saying that what lost the election was Corbyn and Brexit and now that both will be gone they'll be electable again. That does however ignore the almost blanket media monstering (no doubt of the next leader too whoever they may be) and the large amounts of funding the tories got from dodgy hedge funds, Russian oligarchs and the like. That won't change at the next election. Plus the revised boundaries/reduced number of MPs that seem to be coming up, which will also favour tories.

Eta: plus of course the outright lies they push.
 
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two sheds said:
There was a Guardian (I think) headline saying that what lost the election was Corbyn and Brexit and now that both will be gone they'll be electable again. That does however ignore the almost blanket media monstering (no doubt of the next leader too whoever they may be) and the large amounts of funding the tories got from dodgy hedge funds, Russian oligarchs and the like. That won't change at the next election. Plus the revised boundaries/reduced number of MPs that seem to be coming up, which will also favour tories.

Eta: plus of course the outright lies they push.
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And they're likely to push for voter id. They've indicated that they wish to continue the full US Republican route of lies, gerrymandering and voter suppression.
 
This photo on BBC website alongside headline that Ed is going to sit on a panel which will analyse where Labour went wrong. Bit late for authentic WC hi vis shot I doot

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