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kebabking said:
But not in a sex pest way - consenting adults stuff. There is a female MP on the list who's activities might be regarded as pesty, but the language used is ambiguous.
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Lots of them (well, some) aren't in a sex pest way. They're for potential embarrassments to the party...through affairs. She is supposed to be bonking the PPS to the Chancellor.
 
paul staines being predictably revolting about this on the radio 4 media show - "it happens everywhere in society because of our highly sexualised culture" - dismissing the argument that this is about unequal power relations and accountability. He then follows this up by saying that "not all these women are innocent victims" but "predatory" careerists using their sexuality to obtain leverage over these poor men.

One shudders to think what his own particular sexual peccadilloes might consist of...
 
one point that was made on the today programme this morning is that fallon has set the bar for resignations with touching someone's knee fifteen years ago - FIFTEEN YEARS!

so anything more serious than that, or anything more recent, and ministerial resignations will be demanded outside the house if not in.
 
So the things I'm enjoying most this morning is first the resignation statement. In his rush to get the statement out Fallen appears to have used the phrase '...something that was acceptable 10-15 years ago' when he actually meant to say '........something I would (and did) get away with 10-15 years ago'. Its an easy mistake to make I guess and an obvious oversight.

Secondly is how him resigning now is being spun as an act of honour and decency. I'm not 100% convinced that being forced to resign because of a complete lack of honour and decency does in itself represent a honorable and decent act. What do I know though?
 
Teaboy said:
So the things I'm enjoying most this morning is first the resignation statement. In his rush to get the statement out Fallen appears to have used the phrase '...something that was acceptable 10-15 years ago' when he actually meant to say '........something I would (and did) get away with 10-15 years ago'. Its an easy mistake to make I guess and an obvious oversight.

Secondly is how him resigning now is being spun as an act of honour and decency. I'm not 100% convinced that being forced to resign because of a complete lack of honour and decency does in itself represent a honorable and decent act. What do I know though?
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what you do know is he's shafted anyone who has done anything similar more recently and is not so accommodating in submitting their resignation.
 
As kb, and Fallon himself, has said. It's not about the knee touching. There's more coming on him. He knows it's going to be bad.

I wonder if he told May what he's done and that's why she sacked him?
 
Pickman's model said:
yes. but the reason he has given for his resignation - regardless of what comes out subsequently - undermines the efforts of other sex pests to remain in post.
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Depends what they've done. Other knee gropers wouldn't be under pressure to resign if they've 'only' done what's he's been known to have done so far.
 
Fez909 said:
As kb, and Fallon himself, has said. It's not about the knee touching. There's more coming on him. He knows it's going to be bad.

I wonder if he told May what he's done and that's why she sacked him?
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so you say. however, the general impression given has been that hand on knee 15 years ago led to resignation. it doesn't so much matter what happens in the westminster bubble, now the chain reports of hand on knee -> resignation has been given by the media it will be harder for other sex pests to remain in post.
 
Pickman's model said:
what you do know is he's shafted anyone who has done anything similar more recently and is not so accommodating in submitting their resignation.
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work being the hotbed (are we allowed hotbeds anymore?) of gossip and speculation that it is, the concensus of opinion is that both Fallon and May decided that he could not survive the stream of 'handsy at parties', 'likes a drink', and 'wasn't he a bit friendly with that Russian woman?' stories that are inevitably coming down the road, so knew he had to go (it also suggests that while his relationship with May was still one of genuine support and friendship, he has felt for some time that she's simply not listening to his begging, and its getting to begging, for more money for the MOD) - the concensus also supports the view that the deep, long-held loathing that Fallon, and May, have for both Boris Johnson and Liam Fox has coloured the way that has resigned with the very deliberate intention of seeing them in personal disgrace.
 
Fez909 said:
Depends what they've done. Other knee gropers wouldn't be under pressure to resign if they've 'only' done what's he's been known to have done so far.
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a couple of things.

the first thing, and repeating myself is getting rather dull, the perception has been given that fallon has departed because of this negligible incident around 2003. this being the case pressure which might not previously have been there, from the press, from the public, for a resignation may well now be. second, pressure to resign will not likely come from within the conservative party, regardless pretty much of the behaviour revealed, in part because so many of them have been at it themselves and in part because the government's grip on power is quite feeble. pressure to resign will come from other sources.
 
kebabking said:
work being the hotbed (are we allowed hotbeds anymore?) of gossip and speculation that it is, the concensus of opinion is that both Fallon and May decided that he could not survive the stream of 'handsy at parties', 'likes a drink', and 'wasn't he a bit friendly with that Russian woman?' stories that are inevitably coming down the road, so knew he had to go (it also suggests that while his relationship with May was still one of genuine support and friendship, he has felt for some time that she's simply not listening to his begging, and its getting to begging, for more money for the MOD) - the concensus also supports the view that the deep, long-held loathing that Fallon, and May, have for both Boris Johnson and Liam Fox has coloured the way that has resigned with the very deliberate intention of seeing them in personal disgrace.
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well we'll see.
 
kebabking said:
there are several ideas doing the rounds regarding Fallon, none are concrete, so take your pick...

i) Fallon is - in a genuinely innocent way - a touchy-feely bloke who likes a drink at parties. he can read the tea leaves and knows that there are probably hundreds of people he has touched while drunk (not neccesarily in a sexual way, he touches shoulders, arms etc.. of pretty much everyone he talks to), and knows that he can't possibly expect a a get-out-of-jail-free card as presented by Julia Hartley-Brewer in each case - so he's gone before he was pushed.

ii) theres an allegation that while an Energy minister he became overly attentive to a very pretty, and unnacountably interested in the minutae of Energy policy, woman with a pronounced Russian accent. never proven, quite possibly made up, but you never know.

iii) i +ii + he thinks defence is going to get a shoeing in the next spending round, he has already told the PM that Defence can't function on its current budget and she isn't prepared to order the Treasury to find more cash, so he's decided that its time to go.
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I just don't think scenarios 1 & 3 are plausible.

Regarding the first one people know the difference between some drunk knob invading your personal space and being tactile rather than some drunk knob getting handy and lecherous. Given the seriousness of some of the allegations there is no way he would be resigning over drunkenly putting his arm around people.

As for scenario 3, well he's just resigned in disgrace which would seem an odd way of saying 'I no longer fancy the job'. Surely you'd just pull the 'more time with the family' card or say you want to concentrate on 'local constituency issues close to your heart'?

Scenario 2 is possible but people have probably known about that for a long time, so why now? I just think the most likely thing is that he's a been a low level sleaze for a long time and there have been a slew of complaints about him. The one incident we know about was clearly enough for the H-B to tell him to f-off do we honestly think that was a one off? Guys who cross that line are happy to chance their arm every time, because you never know etc.
 
mauvais said:
Fun Thursday game: what can we think of that was by some measure acceptable in 2002/2007 and isn't acceptable now?

Was he in Nickelback?
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Maybe he thought England (senior men's team) could win an international football tournament?
 
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