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IanRCrane, your OP struck me as a conspiraloonacy rant. Sorry, it just did.

Maybe if you'd started off by mentioning the talk you went to, asking if anyone else had read Milan Rai's book, asking if anyone had any thoughts or opninions on it, then that might have produced some thought provoking debate?

But just wading in with this conspiracy-theorist style *I am in possession of the real truth and everyone else is blinkered and deluded* nonsense didn't really help your case at all.

I thought some of your points were interesting enough to merit exploration/discussion, and maybe that might have occurred had you not set your stall out to make yourself appear to be a confirmed conspiraloon.
 
Badger Kitten said:
Imagine my surprise when I found out about a bizarre conspiracy theory that the world was going to end in 2012. An Ancient Mayan prophecy confirms this. As we approach the struggle for higher or possibly alien consciousness the New World Order is expected to increase its struggles for totalitarian mind cointrol, by use of synthetic terror events such as 9/11 and 7/7. Evil psy-ops agents like me will of course struggle to crush fearless truth seekers by peddling our lies dressed up as survivor accounts. Crop circles and astrological portents, of course, have made this clear for years, the approach of the superstorm and erm,. other things I haven't grasped yet, due to my deficiency in shamanic wisdom.

Anyway, cheers Ian R Crane for letting me in on all this via Dia Gnosis


Corking stuff. :D

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So basically this fine fella has taken a load of "new age" interpretations of Mayan and other folk myth and used it to manufacture a "vibe" about a forthcoming cataclysm?

I see what Bernie and Donna mean about religious behaviour. Like most "religiouses" if you believe hard enough you can take anything to mean anything, especially if you weave it through with bits and pieces of coincidence that your faith tells you were not coincidences at all.

Who said religion was dead?
 
Grego Morales said:
It's moronic and offensive. To speculate that 7/7 was a conspiracy on the basis of a train time table is beyond parody. In any complex and deverstating event there are bound to be minor inconsistancies here and there, epecially when an event is covered so widely by the media. The conspira-crowd should concentrate on the real pain and suffering caused by those in powerful posistions (that we know exists), not designing their own versions of events based on wild conjecture.
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Shows a lack of "real world" thinking as well if you use the works of fiction that are the railcos' timetables to justify anything. They're even less based in relaity that BRs' tmetables were.

Mind you, you are missing the point that "minor inconsistencies", acceptable and expected as they are by rational folk, are the food and drink on which the conspira-fruitcake thrives.
 
Blagsta said:
err...yes there was
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Yeah but hey, because the wreckage didn't resemble the kind of wreckage people had previously seen on the news (mostly when planes have "belly-flopped" or go in at a shallow angle on open ground) then there was obviously "no wreckage".

I mean, why go in for comparative analysis when things are "obvious"?
 
AnnO'Neemus said:
IanRCrane, your OP struck me as a conspiraloonacy rant. Sorry, it just did.

Maybe if you'd started off by mentioning the talk you went to, asking if anyone else had read Milan Rai's book, asking if anyone had any thoughts or opninions on it, then that might have produced some thought provoking debate?

But just wading in with this conspiracy-theorist style *I am in possession of the real truth and everyone else is blinkered and deluded* nonsense didn't really help your case at all.

I thought some of your points were interesting enough to merit exploration/discussion, and maybe that might have occurred had you not set your stall out to make yourself appear to be a confirmed conspiraloon.
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Exploration and discussion aren't particularly beloved of the conspiracy theorist.

That's what pisses me off when so many of them brand themselves as "seekers of the truth"' they couldn't be further from that with their dogmatism and irrationality. If they really sought the truth they would amend their views as and when they were rationally disproved, instead of which they focus on ever smaller and less relevant details in an attempt to ward off the cognitive dissonance caused to them by having been/being incorrect.

I'm not unsympathetic to "conspiracy theory" in that most conspiracies have a nucleus of truth. What I dislike is the masses of irrelevance that gets constructed around that nucleus.
 
fela fan said:
Unfortunately ian the (quality) level of debate on these politica forums is a fraction of what it used to be. It really is quite sad coz in my opinion this dumbing down of political comment has sent droves of decent posters into exile.
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This place is so much better since all the fucking idiots and their extremist, SWP-obsessed/baiting, anti-everything, sneering, nihilist, ultra-far-"left", "class-struggle-anarchism" shite has gone elsewhere.

Pity you haven't decided to take your bollocks and incessant whinging and go and join them frankly.
 
Forthcoming Cataclysm?

Violet Panda writes:
So basically this fine fella has taken a load of "new age" interpretations of Mayan and other folk myth and used it to manufacture a "vibe" about a forthcoming cataclysm?
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Err ... where exactly did I post this proposition? As it happens ... you could not be more wrong!
 
ianrcrane said:
Violet Panda writes:

Err ... where exactly did I post this proposition? As it happens ... you could not be more wrong!
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So what Is your opinion on people who harass 7/7 survivors?
 
toggle said:
So what Is your opinion on people who harass 7/7 survivors?
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So far it doesn't look good. Ian R. Crane has gone with the confrontational/hook, and ignored the our main concerns about the way in which his organisations' members have 'harassed' (putting it mildly) 7/7 survivors and their families since July 2005.
 
ianrcrane said:
Violet Panda writes:

Err ... where exactly did I post this proposition?
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1) "Er" is spelt with a single "r", although I'd contend that your personal use of "err" as in "to be wrong" may be a reasonable self-assessment.
2) I was asking another poster, not you, a question. That's why there was what we call a "question mark" at the end of the sentence.
As it happens ... you could not be more wrong!
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Ah, the use of hyperbolic language, don't you love it. :rolleyes:

Let me guess, you're an ultra-rational "everything by the scientific method, subject everything to Popper's falsifiability test" kind of guy, and everyone else lives in delusion?
 
tangentlama said:
So far it doesn't look good. Ian R. Crane has gone with the confrontational/hook, and ignored the our main concerns about the way in which his organisations' members have 'harassed' (putting it mildly) 7/7 survivors and their families since July 2005.
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That'd be because these "truth seekers" and "truth knowers" don't see their actions as harassment, they see them as acts of courage against the system, and their cultish "in-circle" behaviour as normal.
 
Harrassment of Survivors?

Tangent Lama wrote:
Ian R. Crane has ...ignored the our main concerns about the way in which his organisations' members have 'harassed' (putting it mildly) 7/7 survivors and their families since July 2005.
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Toggle wrote:
So what Is your opinion on people who harass 7/7 survivors?
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Badger Kitten wrote:
I don't know if he has personally written to Dad or not, or phoned him.
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Firstly, I think we need to agree on some aspects of the term 'Harrassment'.

Whilst I am not advocating 'anything goes' on a Public Forum, we must acknowledge that if we enter the proverbial Lion's Den, that we are potentially inviting a less than sympathetic reception. I think that this has been proven beyond reasonable doubt and is evidenced by some of the posts on this thread!

It would be naive to argue that one should expect to be welcomed with open arms into an established web forum, particularly when presenting an alternative viewpoint from what might be considered the accepted norm. It is disappointing to realise that levels of basic civility appear to have descended to such a degree, in such a short thread! Perhaps this comes through familiarity?

Having said that,if you can't take the heat ....etc

Although I certainly do not have the thousands of posts to my name that appear to be the norm for some Urban75 participants. That said, even if the volume of my posts reaches the dizzy heights of certain other thread contributors, I would like to think that I will still be able to adhere to the basic tenets of common civility ... perhaps I expect too much!

With regard to non-forum 'harrassment'; e.g. any unsolicited contact; whether by PM, Email, Phone, Snailmail, personal contact (with the possible exception of encounters at Public Meetings), etc; with the individual or any members of their family; such behaviour may well be regarded as having the potential to be considered as harrassment. Consequently, please take it as an absolute given that I do not condone such behaviour in any way shape or form and neither does any organisation with which I am associated.

If any member of this or any other forum feels that they have been harrassed in any way, shape or form, I would actively encourage them to report the situation to the appropriate authorities.
 
Ian R Crane said:
If any member of this or any other forum feels that they have been harrassed in any way, shape or form, I would actively encourage them to report the situation to the appropriate authorities
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Thanks I will.

Ian R Crane said:
I would like to think that I will still be able to adhere to the basic tenets of common civility ... perhaps I expect too much!
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Perhaps you do expect too much of yourself. How about taking on board the editor's points, below?


editor said:
You could start by reading the FAQ.
And....
And then you could move on to:So why do you arrogantly think the rules don't apply to you, Ian?

Right, I'm off to have a cup of tea and check the Changes in My Individual and Collective Consciousness (The Awakening Process).
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Lock&Light said:
Why do you so often resort to pedantry, even on such one-sided threads as this? :confused:
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now how could I have guessed that your contribution would have absolutely nothing to do with the topic.
 
Badger Kitten said:
This is not some free speech issue, this is something I find disturbing. And I flag it up here FYI, because I feel safer doing so.
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I wasn't implying you shouldn't find it disturbing - in fact the personal contact that they have is of more concern than their usual generalising. If it continues I would seriously consider the provisions of the Protection from Harrassment Act.
 
BK said : ...so can we all keep an eye out? Prole is one of the members of his organisation, and has indicated that she knows my name and where I work on another board. This is not some free speech issue, this is something I find disturbing. And I flag it up here FYI, because I feel safer doing so.
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Hi BK

Just to assure you that

1. You asked me to request that your name be taken down from a board, which I did, you know that the posting had nothing to do with me and I respect your right to anonymity.

2. You posted a comment on my blog from your workplace. I commented that an article written about Richmal Oates-Whitehead was published in a magazine which your company publishes.

3. You sent me your work phone number in a PM and asked me to call you. I never did. I replied that I prefer to have all communication in the public arena.

4. I am not a member of any 'organisation'. I just post or contribute to various forums, and only on issues around 7th July.

5. I find your insinuations and smears nasty and underhand. I would certainly never harrass anyone, by phone or mail, and don't know of anyone who has.

6. I introduced myself to you after the Milan Rai book launch in London, an event at which no-one heckled you.

7. Anything I have ever said is in the public arena for people to judge for themselves.

8. I feel sorry that you are disturbed by anyone that you have contact with, on boards etc, just to reassure you BK, you have nowt to fear from me. I know what it feels like to receive threats, I have had them on my blog.

9. You requested on your blog that you wanted no more engagement with anyone in the 7/7 truth movement and I have respected that request.

10. I only make this one comment on here because I found your insinuations against me pesonally offensive and feel safer stating this in the public domain.
 
toggle said:
now how could I have guessed that your contribution would have absolutely nothing to do with the topic.
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Should I just have overlooked VP's contribution? If so, why should anyone bother commenting? Do all contributions have to be a page long?

So many questions; so few answers. :(
 
ViolentPanda said:
That'd be because these "truth seekers" and "truth knowers" don't see their actions as harassment, they see them as acts of courage against the system, and their cultish "in-circle" behaviour as normal.
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Think there's a typo in there ... ;)
 
Lock&Light said:
Why do you so often resort to pedantry, even on such one-sided threads as this? :confused:
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It's only "pedantry" if one selectively edits it in the way you have done.

I'm not surprised at your use of the "confused" smilie though. It's obviously apt as a description of you.
 
ViolentPanda said:
I'm not surprised at your use of the "confused" smilie though. It's obviously apt as a description of you.
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Life is so confusing. Following your logic more so than the rest.
 
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