Tory Leadership contest 2022

[two sheds]

Liz Truss among seven MPs who put Amazon Prime subscription on expenses

Members of the online retailer’s premium service pay £79 a year to get quicker delivery and enjoy access to TV shows including The Boys, Star Trek: Picard and Jeremy Clarkson’s The Grand Tour

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Members of the online retailer’s premium service pay £79 a year to get quicker delivery and enjoy access to TV shows including The Boys, Star Trek: Picard and Jeremy Clarkson’s The Grand Tour

Is she one of the ones who's said welfare claimants are mollycoddled and can get by with less?

Newly released expenses data reveals the Foreign Secretary claimed back the £79 annual charge - though a campaign team source insisted it was not intentional.

Unintentionally claimed for Amazon Prime on expenses. Stunningly competent just who we need for Prime Minister

 

[not-bono-ever]

I dont think i've ever seen such a grubby vicious seedy bunch of awful people in one place together. It quite horrifying that thy are all trying to out bastard each other. fuck me

usually you view a politician as a wanker from the off, then look to see if they have any redeeming sparks of humanity about them to see if they can be tolerated - I dont know where to start with this lot.

 

[ska invita]

I dont think i've ever seen such a grubby vicious seedy bunch of awful people in one place together.

 

[Humberto]

A hive of ultra-gammon libertarians outbidding themselves to stall the country perpetually. On the plus side they are looking dysfunctional and stepping on countless rakes.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

The medals are photoshopped.

What sort of wanker wears photoshopped medals?

 

[two sheds]

I'm still wondering how Sunak gets the idea that cutting taxes which will disproportionally favour the rich while public spending has been cut for years is somehow socialism.

 

[Elpenor]

I'm still wondering how Sunak gets the idea that cutting taxes which will disproportionally favour the rich while public spending has been cut for years is somehow socialism.

He practices the socialism of the Sheriff of Nottingham - robbing from the poor to give to the rich

 

[rekil]

Trickledown is a little bit socialism. #PlugTheTrickle

 

[SpookyFrank]

I'm still wondering how Sunak gets the idea that cutting taxes which will disproportionally favour the rich while public spending has been cut for years is somehow socialism.

From the loons who wail about socialism every time someone does anything slightly less evil than, say, bringing back slavery.

 

[Cat Fan]

Sunak talking about issuing new government debt (100% risk-free and normal) as if it's the same as borrowing on a credit card is aggravating. Seems to have gone down well with the faithful though.

 

[billy_bob]

View attachment 332991Didn’t watch the vermin-off, but this still of the event keeps making me giggle.

Is that meant to be Mordaunt's 'I'm a proper veteran, me - senior service and all, not like the cannon fodder next to me. These fists have seen things you people wouldn't believe...' look? She looks like she's about to chin some lass outside a spoons at closing time for smiling at her fella.

 

[Artaxerxes]

I'm still wondering how Sunak gets the idea that cutting taxes which will disproportionally favour the rich while public spending has been cut for years is somehow socialism.

“If you disagree with me it’s socialism/woke/discrimination” is a solid and persistent strategy used wonderfully by the American right and indulged in by uk politicians to

 

[kabbes]

I’m just watching the ITV debate this morning. (Didn’t watch the C4 one.). I was expecting Truss to be shit but bloody hell she’s shit. She is like an even less charismatic version of Theresa May. How did she ever reach this level of politics?

They all played into the hands of Sunak by attacking him in his own back yard. Forget being good as a leader, he was the only one that even came out as one iota credible as a politician.

 

[two sheds]

“If you disagree with me it’s socialism/woke/discrimination” is a solid and persistent strategy used wonderfully by the American right and indulged in by uk politicians to

Indeed, and they're adding sex offender/pedophile in the US more recently.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Sunak talking about issuing new government debt (100% risk-free and normal) as if it's the same as borrowing on a credit card is aggravating. Seems to have gone down well with the faithful though.

He is right that borrowing to pay for day to day expenditure (as opposed to borrowing to invest in infrastructure for example) is barmy. Yet, that appears to be the position of Mordaunt.

Had McDonnell stuck that proposal in the last labour manifesto the media would have gone into meltdown…

 

[LDC]

I’m just watching the ITV debate this morning. (Didn’t watch the C4 one.). I was expecting Truss to be shit but bloody hell she’s shit. She is like an even less charismatic version of Theresa May. How did she ever reach this level of politics?

Yeah, I feel a bit stupid, I must have not really seen her speak before this latest thing and I'm genuinely shocked at how useless she is.

 

[two sheds]

(as opposed to borrowing to invest in infrastructure for example)

exactly that ^

 

[platinumsage]

Sunak and Truss have pulled out of the next debate on Sky.

Both agreed their exchanges on the C4/ITV debates so far were damaging to the party.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Sunak and Truss have pulled out of the next debate on Sky.

Both agreed their exchanges on the C4/ITV debates so far were damaging to the party.

So, it'll be Penny Mordaunt and two blocks of melting ice.

Like C-4 News did with Johnson & Farage.

 

[JimW]

Sunak and Truss have pulled out of the next debate on Sky.

Both agreed their exchanges on the C4/ITV debates so far were damaging to the party.

Has Truss further agreed to retire to Johnson's fridge until 2050 at the earliest?

 

[Zapp Brannigan]

Sunak and Truss have pulled out of the next debate on Sky.

Both agreed their exchanges on the C4/ITV debates so far were damaging to the party.

Bring back the tub of lard!

 

[Cat Fan]

He is right that borrowing to pay for day to day expenditure (as opposed to borrowing to invest in infrastructure for example) is barmy. Yet, that appears to be the position of Mordaunt.

Had McDonnell stuck that proposal in the last labour manifesto the media would have gone into meltdown…

It wasn't barmy during the pandemic, and it's not barmy now.

It comes down to a choice on either being pro tight monetary policy (aka austerity) or pro loose monetary policy (decent public services and well funded NHS)

You can't have both. There are advantages and disadvantages to both.

The government can create as much money as it wants to, it can borrow today and repay in 30 years. To constantly compare it to a household budget is playing right into the hands of all the Thatcherites.

 

[andysays]

Sunak and Truss have pulled out of the next debate on Sky.

Both agreed their exchanges on the C4/ITV debates so far were damaging to the party.

Do you have a source for that?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

So, it'll be Penny Mordaunt and two blocks of melting ice.

Like C-4 News did with Johnson & Farage.

But one of the blocks of melting ice won the election.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Do you have a source for that?

A source in Mr Sunak’s campaign told The Independent he would not take part in Tuesday’s debate, adding: “We are very happy to do more debates if we are lucky enough to get to the next stage, including Sky News”.

It is also understood Ms Truss had made clear she would only participate in the debate if all candidates have committed to do so.

In respsonse, the broadcaster said the event has been cancelled, saying: “Two of the three candidates currently leading in the MPs’ ballot – Rishi Sunak and Liz Truss – have confirmed to Sky News that they do not want to take part”.

Sky News cancel Tory leadership debate after Rishi Sunak and Liz Truss pull out

Pair clashed in second debate of the contest on Sunday evening

www.independent.co.uk

 

[andysays]

Sky News cancel Tory leadership debate after Rishi Sunak and Liz Truss pull out

Pair clashed in second debate of the contest on Sunday evening

www.independent.co.uk

So they're cancelling the debate rather than going on without Sunak and Truss.

Very disappointing...

 

[littlebabyjesus]

It wasn't barmy during the pandemic, and it's not barmy now.

It comes down to a choice on either being pro tight monetary policy (aka austerity) or pro loose monetary policy (decent public services and well funded NHS)

You can't have both. There are advantages and disadvantages to both.

The government can create as much money as it wants to, it can borrow today and repay in 30 years. To constantly compare it to a household budget is playing right into the hands of all the Thatcherites.

I don't see any politicians being honest about national debt. In our current set-up, it is necessary - without it people wouldn't have pensions - and also the amount of debt alone isn't the way to measure it - you also need to look at when the debt is due to be repaid to make sense of how sustainable it is (which is one of the places where the credit card analogy falls down).

Can't see that changing. I don't believe Sunak, for instance, doesn't understand the above points, but he's never going to say so in public.

 

[Cerv]

“I am personally incapable of engaging in a civil discussion and therefore pulling out of the debate. Vote for me for PM.”

Odd strategy isn’t it.

 

[PR1Berske]

Sunak and Truss have pulled out of the next debate on Sky.

Both agreed their exchanges on the C4/ITV debates so far were damaging to the party.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

It wasn't barmy during the pandemic, and it's not barmy now.

It comes down to a choice on either being pro tight monetary policy (aka austerity) or pro loose monetary policy (decent public services and well funded NHS)

You can't have both. There are advantages and disadvantages to both.

The government can create as much money as it wants to, it can borrow today and repay in 30 years. To constantly compare it to a household budget is playing right into the hands of all the Thatcherites.

I couldn't disagree more.

In terms of your first point it's just not a binary choice. There is plenty that a government could do to raise income without borrowing for day to day spending. For example, it could introduce a levy on excessive executive pay, it could extend the current windfall tax on energy companies to most of the FTSE 350 (who have increased profits by 74% since 2019), capital gains/unearned income could be taxed at the same rate as income from work, second/multiple home ownership could be heavily taxed etc etc.

On your second point my issue is that the concept of government's just printing money lacks credibility in the real world (as Mordaunt will discover). It would create a prices/wages inflation spiral and Bonds would collapse. Nobody on here - me included - is comparing it to household budgets. Borrowing to invest in infrastructure (and by that I very much mean public services, housing, the NHS, transport, digital etc) on the other hand makes absolute economic sense and re-frames the debate anbd located it in 2022 and not 1982 which is where the Tory leadership debate is.