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looks alright to me, where they have gone wrong is giving it that nipped of bit at the top which does make it look like someones just nipped a length of healthy bum cable off. Get rid of that and it would be ok
 
19sixtysix said:
Can we have the OP changed as this is in Scotland "The Joby" would be more appropriate.
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One of my friends from school married a lovely guy from London called Joby. He's spent the the last twenty or so years living in Edinburgh, accepting the comments about his name with more stoic good grace than I could ever concieve of mustering.

I won't mourn the loss of the St James Centre though, but a hotel in the style of a pinched-off loaf might not be the ideal replacement.
 
That's hideous - both visually and in context of the site. Even given the monstrosity to be replaced.
As for the hotel plans. lost for words !
Given those two and a few of the other "developments" I'm not surprised the world heritage status might be thought in question.
 
depends on the orientation, if its in the courtyard where most of the current hotel rooms look onto, most people won't see it
 
The Boy said:
It's going to rise above everything around it and form part of the skyline from every direction. So yes, most people *will* see it.
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not really. If its on Leith St, its an eyesore that people will see it, but if its in that courtyard then maybe from Scott monument or the roof of the National museum and further back down Northbridge if Carlton Hotel doesn't block it
 
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http://citydev-portal.edinburgh.gov...B/pdf/15_01858_AMC-PHOTOMONTAGE_2-3090579.pdf

15/01858/AMC | Application for approval of matters specified in Condition 23 of Outline Planning Permission 08/03361/OUT relating to design of the central hotel building (Block C) and associated landscaping and external lighting. | 1 - 3 St James Centre Edinburgh EH1 3SS
 
gosub said:
not really. If its on Leith St, its an eyesore that people will see it, but if its in that courtyard then maybe from Scott monument or the roof of the National museum and further back down Northbridge if Carlton Hotel doesn't block it
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Yes, really. Buildings that are taller than everything surrounding them can, unsurprisingly, be seen by people the other side of those surroundings. The full building might not be on view, but given the design, the materials used and the fact that the building will be the dominant aspect of the skyline it very definitely will be seen by people.
 
 
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Totally hidden and unseen. Not at all dominating the skyline.

There's actually something quite interesting about the before/after pictures that go with the planning application in that the 'after ' pics seem to have had some of the colour stripped from them, so I expect the final result will be even more jarring.

Also, the furore around the jobby seems to distract from the fact that the rest of the development isn't *that* much of an improvement on what is already there. At least not as far as the scale of the development. This shit is exactly why i get annoyed when people come out with "it can't be any worse than what's already there". Perhaps not, but it can be just as bad - and with all the hassle that a development like this brings.
 
the George Street one surprised me, never feel you are in line with St Andrews Square at that point (feel closer to Princes St). the other two photos- pas du problem
 
Here are a couple of versions of it without the coil-off cladding:

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Although the idea of walking those upper galleries in the teeth of a gale off the Forth does maybe give an inkling why they want to clad it! :eek:

Also interesting to note that the hotel dropped-off the plan for a few years, in favour of a plain boxy office block but now appears to have been reinstated.
 
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Also consider what its intending to replace - St James's Centre/New St Andrews House:

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Which is not one of Edinburgh's architectural highlights to begin with and has long been accepted as one of Scotland's most difficult regeneration projects since the 1980s saw the tacit acceptance that it should never have been built there.

IIRC, New St Andrews House has sat virtually empty since the Government offices moved to Leith or were wound-up post Devolution. Which was about the only thing that could be said for the place - it brought a lot of jobs into central Edinburgh. The Shopping centre beneath it was also one of Scotland's first modern retail developments and has been very successful. IIRC it is being retained/remodeled in the development plan?
 
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pogofish said:
Also consider what its intending to replace - St James's Centre/New St Andrews House:

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Which is not one of Edinburgh's architectural highlights to begin with and has long been accepted as one of Scotland's most difficult regeneration projects since the 1980s saw the tacit acceptance that it should never have been built there.

IIRC, New St Andrews House has sat virtually empty since the Government offices moved to Leith or were wound-up post Devolution. Which was about the only thing that could be said for the place - it brought a lot of jobs into central Edinburgh. The Shopping centre beneath it was also one of Scotland's first modern retail developments and has been very successful. IIRC it is being retained/remodeled in the development plan?
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Think the hotel looks better without the cladding. Its the do-over of the St James Centre they are selling it on-improve the shopping to win back punters from Glasgow
 
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