Oh, really? It PROVES it? With the same degree of confidence that you can PROVE that socialism is good? If that's your standard of proof then I am not impressed.
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Oh, really? It PROVES it? With the same degree of confidence that you can PROVE that socialism is good? If that's your standard of proof then I am not impressed.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
You don't even realise that you're stuck in a loop. This is the second time you've posted this reply, admittedly with the last line added for effect.
stethoscope
Well-Known Member
Oh dear, it's entered repetition already.
I know of no such genocidal acts by liberal regimes, but if you make a list of liberal atrocities vs socialist atrocities it's not very hard to find out who are the bad guys.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Aye, always a bad sign.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
What is a "liberal" regime? Pinochet's Chile?
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
Sorry about the double posts. Sometimes for reasons unknown to me there is a double post. It is not intentional and there is, as far as I know, no way for me to delete my own posts. However, the fact that you think that this is something that is done intentionally is quite creepy.
goldenecitrone
post tenebras lux
Are YOU the NORWEGIAN pbman?
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
That's your excuse. What is a "liberal" regime? Please provide some examples.
Random
Ethnic nalgocrat
I've already started a thread totalling up the mass deaths due to liberalism, in the last century alone. Search for 'megadeaths of liberalism' in this sub-forum.
Now I think the many millions dead due to liberalism may very well be far more than those due to the Soviet or Nazi governments. But are you really saying that if Communism had killed more, then the millions killed by liberalism can be dismissed, and liberals whitewashed as the good guys?
Random
Ethnic nalgocrat
If the US Constitution isn't a textbook example of the basis for a liberal regime then no liberal regime exists or has ever exists. Which is probably what onan will reveal shortly. Rather like the way some communists disappointingly try to pretend that there's never been a communist regime.
Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
My bet is that starving to death due to IMF restructuring will be dismissed as the result of impersonal market forces, or the fault of the starvee for not being entrepreneurial enough ...
Random
Ethnic nalgocrat
According to Hagar here, the IMF is probably fascist.
Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
Oh, has he changed the definition of neo-liberal to mean 'is nice to people and likes puppies' or something?
Nope, Pinochet was an authoritarian conservative, but even if you did count him as a liberal and even if we accept the Marxist version of the story that Allende did NOT destroy Chile, act criminally and nearly plunge Chile into a civil war, then Pinochet probably killed at most 5000 people. And that's about the worst atrocity you can find among "liberals." Pinochet wouldn't even make a dimple on the heap of people mass murdered by socialists. And again now we are ignoring the tens of thousands of people socialism murder every single day due to structural violence. And we are also just blindly accepting the Marxist version of events where the people killed were completely innocent and in no way constituted a threat to Chile.
He doesn't even claim to be neo-liberal so his contribution to the thread can, strictly speaking, be considered a de-rail.
You ignorant fucking cunt. Since when does constituting a threat to your country justify judicial murder?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Socialism is currently murdering at least 7.5 million people a year? This is your claim?
Random
Ethnic nalgocrat
Have you explained already how the US government is not a liberal regime? And the British empire, especially under the liberals and the tories? Their death tolls are up in the dozens of millions without any serious research.
Random
Ethnic nalgocrat
But let's face it, it's better than just arguing with the same old u75 faces.
The United States was a liberal regime up to about the beginning of the 20th century. Since then the US has in practical policies moved ever more towards the fascist welfare state. In modern times Hong Kong and Singapore have been closest to laissez-faire in economic matters, but authoritarian in other matters.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
when I said you'd pissed your chips, I meant you'd fucked yourself. Because I could see you going this way. Only 5000 eh? you're now defending pinochet or at the least trying to downplay his acts.
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
Beginning in 1893, Cecil Rhodes and his British South African Company stole
millions of acres of land and hundreds of thousands of cattle from the Mashona
and Ndebele peoples in Southern Rhodesia, now Zimbabwe. When many of these
people challenged European rule in 1897, Rhodes’ forces killed thousands of men,
women and children.11 Some Europeans advocated destroying entire communities.
On 29 March 1896, Rhodes’ ally Lord Jarvis wrote to his wife that ‘I hope the
natives will be pretty well exterminated . . . our plan of campaign will probably be
to . . . wipe them out . . .’, while in July he wrote to his mother, suggesting that,
‘. . . the best thing to do is to wipe them out . . . everything black’. In January 1897,
Lord Grey wrote describing the mood in the colony: even the missionary Father
Biehler felt ‘the only chance for the future of the [Mashona] race is to exterminate
the whole people, both male and female, over the age of 14!’12 Had Rhodes not
decided that funding such a war would be prohibitively expensive, Southern
Rhodesia might have become, like German South West Africa, a site of genocide.13
In 1906, dispossession, physical abuse, and oppression ignited the Bhambatha
Uprising against British rule in Natal, now a South African province.14 Colonists
then waged a two-year-long war that included sporadic massacres, such as the
‘mopping up’ of several hundred defeated warriors following the Battle of Mome
Gorge.15 Ultimately, the counterinsurgency led to the deaths of between 3500 and
4000 Africans in operations roundly condemned both in other provinces of the
future South Africa and in London.16 South African leader Jan Smuts called the
counterinsurgency ‘simply a record of loot and rapine’.17
millions of acres of land and hundreds of thousands of cattle from the Mashona
and Ndebele peoples in Southern Rhodesia, now Zimbabwe. When many of these
people challenged European rule in 1897, Rhodes’ forces killed thousands of men,
women and children.11 Some Europeans advocated destroying entire communities.
On 29 March 1896, Rhodes’ ally Lord Jarvis wrote to his wife that ‘I hope the
natives will be pretty well exterminated . . . our plan of campaign will probably be
to . . . wipe them out . . .’, while in July he wrote to his mother, suggesting that,
‘. . . the best thing to do is to wipe them out . . . everything black’. In January 1897,
Lord Grey wrote describing the mood in the colony: even the missionary Father
Biehler felt ‘the only chance for the future of the [Mashona] race is to exterminate
the whole people, both male and female, over the age of 14!’12 Had Rhodes not
decided that funding such a war would be prohibitively expensive, Southern
Rhodesia might have become, like German South West Africa, a site of genocide.13
In 1906, dispossession, physical abuse, and oppression ignited the Bhambatha
Uprising against British rule in Natal, now a South African province.14 Colonists
then waged a two-year-long war that included sporadic massacres, such as the
‘mopping up’ of several hundred defeated warriors following the Battle of Mome
Gorge.15 Ultimately, the counterinsurgency led to the deaths of between 3500 and
4000 Africans in operations roundly condemned both in other provinces of the
future South Africa and in London.16 South African leader Jan Smuts called the
counterinsurgency ‘simply a record of loot and rapine’.17
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
there was a recent thread on this...
No, at least 4 million people per year. The vast majority of children and people in the world who are dying of starvation, diseases and natural disasters are from highly anti-capitalistic countries, and many of these are socialists. Also socialists in the West are indirectly contributing to the deaths of millions by actively trying to prevent capitalism from spreading. I know that this is not your intention, but you cannot claim innocence since the effects of socialism are well-known. The end result is always death and destruction.
Random
Ethnic nalgocrat
A liberal, and genocidal, regime. Ten million North American Indians gone.
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